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Another reason a 20R may RLS! #782756 01/24/07 02:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 383
Stevie Offline OP
Mudrunner
My 1980 daily driver has been increasingly worse at idleing and now even misfiring under load, since a rebuild 5 years/400 miles ago. An audible vacume leak was getting louder, so I started the search. I have a perfect running 20R to swap parts with.
All vacume hoses (California smog/nightmare): OK
EGR valve swap: no change
Carb swap: no change
Exhaust manifold: Found a crack,inner side.Replaced:no change
Intake manifold: removed & inspected, new gaskets: no change

Maybe the vac leak's my imagination! I mean "Crap, what else is there with the carb-intake?".
Distributor wire swap: no change
Distributor swap: no change
Coil/box swap: no change
Plugs pulled/inspected: Cleaned/gapped: no change

Got the name of a local shop that's got a good rep for troubleshooting carb & smog systems. Man it's hard admitting you're beat and needing help<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />.
Anyway, don't know how, but they found the problem. They showed me with the carb off and pressurizing the #1 cylinder, coolant came bubbling out the choke heater hose!
So, either the head has a stratigicly placed crack, or the head gasket need replacing. What makes this so f***in' insidious is that there's no exterior head/block leak anywhere, and no coolant/oil mix! I mean come on, what are the odds, really? Anyone else seen this one?
BTW, the shop was very good to me. They had that thing all morning, and only charged a hour's labor($70) and a diagnotsic fee, which was offered to me @ 50% off($35). Very cheap for San Diego!
The head was rebuilt with new valves, so hopefully it'll be OK. I'm hopeing it's just the gasket. I NOW know about cleaning out the block's headbolt holes. Any other tricks to prevent anything like this again?
Thanks to all <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />.


'80 4X4 Longbed
Re: Another reason a 20R may RLS! [Re: Stevie] #782757 01/24/07 09:02 AM
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kewlynx Offline
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Get both the block and the head pressure tested. That's about all I can think of.

Sounds like you found a great shop. Drop by some pizzas. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Another reason a 20R may RLS! [Re: kewlynx] #782758 01/24/07 02:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 383
Stevie Offline OP
Mudrunner
One question: Why the block? Just to be through, or have you seen a specific problem? Definitely would be easier with it half apart! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />


'80 4X4 Longbed
Re: Another reason a 20R may RLS! [Re: Stevie] #782759 01/24/07 09:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 25
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artisticgore Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I have the same symptoms you are describing and it is due to a crack in an oil passage (yes it is a 1980 20R) so yes I would have the block pressure tested.


1980 Toyota 4x4
22R
L43
4.37s
31" tires
Pretty much stock everything (for now)
Re: Another reason a 20R may RLS! [Re: artisticgore] #782760 01/24/07 09:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 383
Stevie Offline OP
Mudrunner
Gee, How the **** does an oil passage get a crack in it? Where was it? Not doubting you...just amazed (and pissed at the possibility!). Work long enough in this business and I guess you'll see everything huh.
P.S.: Head's at the shop now. Can't tell for sure looking at the old gasket if it failed. Keepin' my fingers crossed.

Last edited by Stevie; 01/24/07 09:58 PM.

'80 4X4 Longbed
Re: Another reason a 20R may RLS! [Re: Stevie] #782761 01/25/07 03:26 AM
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kewlynx Offline
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These blocks don't fail very often, but every now and then one does. If they find it, would be nice to know if welding it would be an option.


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