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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: 87Montero] #787713 02/10/07 09:53 AM
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I saw a Saturn S-wagon in the Modesto Circuit City parking lot tonight! It was painted bright orange <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

Then I went to a concert.


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: 52degrees] #787714 02/10/07 10:06 AM
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Okay, end of bunny trail.


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: Alex Kogan] #787715 02/10/07 01:43 PM
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In many cases such as Anna Nicole Smith's, the children are usually better off in foster care, than with their mother. And her son is a prime example. Maybe if he had been in a stable family environment, he would still be alive. So, her 5 month old will most likely have a much better life ahead of her now.
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Probably just saved that little girls life. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

What makes you qualified as to judge her abilities being a mother? Impressions you got from media? Then as far as I'm concerned all I hear about foster care: children are being clubbed to death, sleep in cages, malnourished, never see a daylight etc. Rightfully that's what makes some governments in other countries consider banning adoptions by US citizens or a least substantially toughen the requirements.
Oh it's not true, just media frenzy, few spoiled apples. Then give benefit of the doubt to a person's parenting abilities as well. There was nothing during past 5 months since her daughter was born to suggest Anna was not caring, loving mother. Did you observe anything? Heartbroken too. Yes there were mistakes, questionable behavior earlier in her life but who had not make some. Those don't mean person can't possibly change especially after such a profound experience as birth and/or especially death of the child. Quite contrary.
Honestly I've never expected to find myself defending Anna Nicole Smith but it just makes me sick that somebody so heartlessly suggests that somehow child would be better off without a mother in hands of foster care, unless there was absolutely 100% compelling reason for that such as history of abuse, carelessness toward a child etc.
If you'd give it a tiny bit of the thought you'd understand that from now on the life of that little girl is not going to be about her well being but about wrangling as much money out of it as possible. I'm pretty sure she would have been far better off with her mother protecting her.
I personally know number of examples of people with questionable past who become amazingly caring and protective parents often far more so than those from so called "proper" families.





OK, I'll agree with you, I may have no right to judge how she might raise the daughter. On the other hand, she didn't do a very good job with her son either. She regularly did illegal drugs with him, and she admitted that. In many States that is enough to remove other children from her care, until she gets straightened out herself.

And yes, there have been many cases of foster care abuse in the media recently. And no, I have never been in a foster home situation, and only really know of 1 person that has. So I have no "personal" experience to draw on.


But my heartfelt feeling, is that this daughter would have grown up in a terribly dysfunctual family. And no one here can really argue that Smith wasn't completely dysfunctual.
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Maybe she could have changed? Possibly. But probably not likely. Maybe the daughter would have grown up quick enough to make better decisions for herself? Also possibly.


It also seems to me that any loving, caring mother, would be quick to prove paternity, so her father can be a part of the girls life. But she wasn't doing that. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />




Yea, maybe I don't have a right to judge. Then neither does anyone else here, and why are we having this conversation then? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Rightfully that's what makes some governments in other countries consider banning adoptions by US citizens


Most other Countries have banned the death penalty too. But usually around here, most jump at the chance of exucting someone who harms someone else, especially children. So who is correct? The US, or other countries?

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If you'd give it a tiny bit of the thought you'd understand that from now on the life of that little girl is not going to be about her well being but about wrangling as much money out of it as possible.



And then when I give just a little more than a "tiny bit of thought", I realize that there are also many, many foster families that AREN'T just about wrangling for money, but truely have the chiilds best interests at heart. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

So, yes I still believe that this little girl will be better off with someone else, whether it be her father, or some other relative, or yes, even foster home until adopted, than with Anna Nicole Smith.


OK, my feelings and thoughts seem to be adequetly portrayed now, so I will refrain any other posts on this subject. Unless I get personally flamed. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Flaming my ideas is fine, just not me. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: lee_raider] #787716 02/10/07 03:45 PM
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>>>*I thought a bit about it when I read the news. I have read reports similar that saddened me, cases like Janis Joplin, Elvis, on and on. Ball players jerked from "normal" lives to sudden wealth and fame, power.

We see the results of huge lottery winners, and how their lives are often torn apart, just a few years, in some cases, only months later.

It makes me realize that life is best lived simple and happy. Money brings nothing but perhaps more and better of what one already has. It also often has trials and tribulations attached.

One half billion dollars? Great. I can think of an example of what that might mean to me.

With that kind of money, I could PAY someone to wax my Corvette instead of doing it myself.

But...? I LIKE to polish my Corvette! It excited me to finally be able to barely afford it, it took years of work and savings.

If I could just go out and buy a dozen without a second thought?

It would bore me, life I think would be miserable, no goal, no dreams. To win a small jackpot on a machine is exciting, fun. If I had billions, it would be boring, meaningless.

I think this may well be what happens to people who find sudden fame, wealth.

So often it means misery, early death. I do not think the lady had a life that was much fun to live, I don't think any amount of money would help her with that, either.

The real meaning of life is moments laughing with friends, being content with what you have, having a goal that can be met with effort and is pleasing once earned. A sunset with a mate one loves, just holding hands and living that moment, a Dog that lays it's head upon your leg to beg a pat. A child that smiles and says "I love you Daddy!", who could possibly trade that for money, for fame?

For drugs?

Some can it seems, and I so often see the sad result.

Something for us all to take a moment to think about....*EB


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: Alex Kogan] #787717 02/10/07 05:31 PM
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In many cases such as Anna Nicole Smith's, the children are usually better off in foster care, than with their mother. And her son is a prime example. Maybe if he had been in a stable family environment, he would still be alive. So, her 5 month old will most likely have a much better life ahead of her now.
Yup!
Probably just saved that little girls life. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

What makes you qualified as to judge her abilities being a mother? Impressions you got from media? Then as far as I'm concerned all I hear about foster care: children are being clubbed to death, sleep in cages, malnourished, never see a daylight etc. Rightfully that's what makes some governments in other countries consider banning adoptions by US citizens or a least substantially toughen the requirements.
Oh it's not true, just media frenzy, few spoiled apples. Then give benefit of the doubt to a person's parenting abilities as well. There was nothing during past 5 months since her daughter was born to suggest Anna was not caring, loving mother. Did you observe anything? Heartbroken too. Yes there were mistakes, questionable behavior earlier in her life but who had not make some. Those don't mean person can't possibly change especially after such a profound experience as birth and/or especially death of the child. Quite contrary.
Honestly I've never expected to find myself defending Anna Nicole Smith but it just makes me sick that somebody so heartlessly suggests that somehow child would be better off without a mother in hands of foster care, unless there was absolutely 100% compelling reason for that such as history of abuse, carelessness toward a child etc.
If you'd give it a tiny bit of the thought you'd understand that from now on the life of that little girl is not going to be about her well being but about wrangling as much money out of it as possible. I'm pretty sure she would have been far better off with her mother protecting her.
I personally know number of examples of people with questionable past who become amazingly caring and protective parents often far more so than those from so called "proper" families.


Alex. By your logic we have no right to think poorly of Adolf Hitler either. I never met the man, I only know what the media hs told me. Same for Saadam. They might have been as pure as Mother Theresa for all we personally know.

You ARE allowed to judge by someones ACTIONS. That chick was a money grubbing whore. Yea I said it...Whore! Just like Hitler was a Bastad, and just like Saddam was a supporter of terrorists. I only know what they tell me to know. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

My point is...your right. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: cmonty72] #787718 02/10/07 05:35 PM
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If anyone tries to say this is tragic, I'm puking. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

Tragic is the story of our Air national Guard getting the clearance to fire on a convoy then afterwards finding out they were friendlies. Thats tragic...Not a story of a spoiled brat who never cleaned up long enough to appreciate what she had. I'm NOT sad. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: cmonty72] #787719 02/11/07 04:21 AM
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Heck yes it's tragic! I'll never forget her big scene in Naked Gun 33 1/3!

[Frank offers Tanya a cigarette]
Frank Drebin: Cigarette?
Tanya Peters: Yes, I know.

No talent some say? You must have missed it!

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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: JeePete] #787720 02/17/07 06:56 AM
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Thank you whoever axed this POS. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Anna Nicole Smith [Re: LandRaider] #787721 02/19/07 06:07 AM
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