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Re: IFS Lift [Re: elripster] #788001 02/12/07 06:58 AM
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superduperbacon Offline OP
Need a Spot
Thanks a bunch for all the input guys. ive decided to go with the SAS. and will begin my search for an axle. i'll be sure to post a pic once installed.

Re: IFS Lift [Re: elripster] #788002 02/12/07 09:10 AM
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Snowtoy Offline
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If you are not ready to dent sheetmetal, don't worry about the SAS. You won't be on trails where you need it. You can fit 33's inexpensively and reliably. Take a look at 4crawler.com and also Sonoran steel to see what I mean.

The IFS can be very very strong for a small amount of dough

Frank
I completely dissagree, On my 91 with bald 33ats I cant keep my ifs togather on anything but the road. If im in rocks I had better have a spare hub or 2 at home, if im doin general trail riding I need cvs and if im in mud its a front diff. Granted this truck doesnt get driven easily but ive taken out at least a cv every time I got out wheelin


Do you have your torsion bars cranked up a lot? That is really weird.

Frank

Probably running a front auto locker as well. I have been wheeling IFS for 17 yrs now, and have never blown a hub, a CV, or the front diff. I also haven't seen anyone else do it on the trail either, except those running a non-selectable locker.

Actually I have seen more blown birfs, longs, and SA diffs, than IFS components. Bending things like idle/pitman arms, and tie rods is more common damage to IFS, than CV's & hubs.


More than tread lightly. Leave it like you were never there, nor anyone else.
'90 X-cab 4.88's 33 BFG AT's, rr ARB, Headers, Ignition upgrade, cold air induction.
'91 X-cab 5.29's 315's BFG MT's, rr ARB, custom bumper and flatbed
Re: IFS Lift [Re: elripster] #788003 02/12/07 05:01 PM
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TinyTruck Offline
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If you are not ready to dent sheetmetal, don't worry about the SAS. You won't be on trails where you need it. You can fit 33's inexpensively and reliably. Take a look at 4crawler.com and also Sonoran steel to see what I mean.

The IFS can be very very strong for a small amount of dough

Frank
I completely dissagree, On my 91 with bald 33ats I cant keep my ifs togather on anything but the road. If im in rocks I had better have a spare hub or 2 at home, if im doin general trail riding I need cvs and if im in mud its a front diff. Granted this truck doesnt get driven easily but ive taken out at least a cv every time I got out wheelin


Do you have your torsion bars cranked up a lot? That is really weird.

Frank
Stock, the t-bars are right where the factory set them and I am running stock 4.10s. The only thing that isnt stock is the superwinch hub on the passenger side. Its weird though, I always brake the ds cv shaft or the ds hub. The biggest factor in all my breaks is that I get WAY to overly friendly with the clutch pedal hehehe


1988 YOAT "Stumpy"
-Lock-Right -Fabtech spare tire carrier
-3in PA BL -Custom Flatbed
-32x11.5 cooper mall-terrains <BALD>
Re: IFS Lift [Re: TinyTruck] #788004 02/12/07 07:59 PM
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Scerb Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Sure, an ifs rig will last fine with <33" all terrains on mild trails, where you don't need to spin the tires to get going anywhere. Once you put on bigger, grippy tires, get on some trails where you need those tires, the ifs isn't gonna be happy. Do I have an auto locker up front? no, all of my superlift brackets bent from the torque placed on the front diff. I mean, I do have some EB parts in the motor... but its still a 22R with stock cases and it tweaked everything multiple times.

For example: This is the drivers side front diff drop bracket. It twisted all kinds of ways on a normal NH skidder trail.
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I welded the angle iron on there, took it out on another trail, and the bracket snapped right where the bracing ends - about where the bolts go through. Nothing major, no clutching at redline, just normal rock-driving. This is the trail it broke on the second time. [Linked Image]

Similar story for just about every bracket in my front end. Except for the bumpstops bending.. this is what eightyeight was referring to as a blue UFO 5ft off the ground. In reality it was 4ft. Usually truck is treated relatively nicely though..

-Scerb

Re: IFS Lift [Re: TinyTruck] #788005 02/12/07 11:39 PM
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elripster Offline
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Well Tiny it would be interesting to examine your rig. I have never really worried about breaking my old IFS with the trurac up front because I never had enough traction up there to load it. However, I am pretty careful with the throttle. There's a time for it but it's a great way to have to work on your truck.

That you break the D-side always is interesting.

Frank


1994 4runner, 3.0, auto, 4.88's, 31's, BJ spacers, Coil spacers, air shocks, D-ring anchors, 4Crawler F/R swaybar discos.
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Re: IFS Lift [Re: TinyTruck] #788006 02/13/07 12:03 AM
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Scerb Offline
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I always brake the ds cv shaft or the ds hub.


When you say break, do you mean the cv just pops out of the joint bolted to the diff? That's basically my problem and is due to the front diff brackets being severely bent to the passenger side. When you add some torque the cv twists and pops out of the diff ripping the boot in the process. My brackets are so tweaked that the cv barely even reaches before popping out, and once I lock the hub its an instant pop-out.

Re: IFS Lift [Re: Scerb] #788007 02/13/07 01:03 AM
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TinyTruck Offline
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I always brake the ds cv shaft or the ds hub.


When you say break, do you mean the cv just pops out of the joint bolted to the diff? That's basically my problem and is due to the front diff brackets being severely bent to the passenger side. When you add some torque the cv twists and pops out of the diff ripping the boot in the process. My brackets are so tweaked that the cv barely even reaches before popping out, and once I lock the hub its an instant pop-out.

Scerb, you know this truck as good as I do and it wouldnt serprise me if the brakets are bent with NO LIFT


1988 YOAT "Stumpy"
-Lock-Right -Fabtech spare tire carrier
-3in PA BL -Custom Flatbed
-32x11.5 cooper mall-terrains <BALD>
Re: IFS Lift [Re: subliminaltrips] #788008 02/13/07 01:07 PM
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ovrrdrive Offline
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i agree that an sas is in order but if you want a good price, rough country seems to have the best prices.... i dont know about quality... im about to install one on a buddys truck so ill let you know after i tear his front end apart again after he tears it apart.


What do you mean after he tears it apart???


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I sincerely hope you're wrong. Kit should be here in 3-5 days.

Re: IFS Lift [Re: ovrrdrive] #788009 02/14/07 11:00 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 202
rednekbean Offline
Wheeler
Well i beat the hell outta my tuff country lift and in the end what happened to it was the cross brakets bent because i hit a stump right on the eccentric bolt for the dr side. but hey i took it off straighned it up re-align and continued to abuse it what i thought was very hard, example is i knocked my self out cold from hitting the o s*it handle, i was out for a good 30 seconds.

The reason i did the SAS is because i will be upgrading to atleast 37's with all the other goodies, and want to be able to go anywere i want; mud, trail, sand, rocks, snow, or just flat blazing trail any were i decide to go.

That and everything wears out over time, i've seen mogger axles snap both knuckels from a pot hole that was 2" deep at say 30 mph. point is that everything breaks and chances are your ifs has had more than just a few years of very hard conditions. No?

There are lots of people that have SAS on here so just post and we can aid you to our best, good luck and i cant wait to see the pics of yet another one finished.

But be carful that bug can bite really hard and it doesnt like to let go......


92' Pick-up, SAS, gears to make her crawl, 37's , bullet proof motor, and alot of time invested.
06 CRF450R one mean roost flinging machine
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