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Low oil pressure? #820865 06/24/07 09:52 AM
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huskyohilux Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I've just installed my 22R-e after a complete overhaul w/ pistons, bearings, oil pump etc. It started up directly and ran amazingly! After what I've been through with my last engine I didn't think a toyota could run that great...but
the gauge for the oil pressure barely moves. When I rev the engine to 4000 rpm the marker barely reaches the first notch on the gauge. If I recall correctly my last engine always ran with the gauge pointing at the middle, alongside with the temp gauge. I have switched the entire cluster to one from a 1990 model and my oil pressure sending unit come from my stock 1993 engine. Could that be it?

Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: huskyohilux] #820866 06/24/07 02:12 PM
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mine is doing the same exact thing,,,,i am wondering if it is the oil pump,,,,what brand pump did you use and were did you get it,,,,everybody is telling me not to worry about it that they can run on 4 pounds of pressure,,,,if you find anything out please PM me

Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: v8yota] #820867 06/24/07 04:01 PM
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huskyohilux Offline OP
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Got the Rock pump from EB. Don't think the pump is the problem what could possibly be wrong with a brand new mechanical pump. I lifted the valve cover and started the engine and there was enough pressure to spray the hood.
Must be something wrong with the gauge.

Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: huskyohilux] #820868 06/25/07 01:03 AM
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Toyota gauges are worthless.. Verify pressure with a mechanical gauge.


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Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: dcg9381] #820869 06/25/07 02:41 AM
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a mechanical is my next step

Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: huskyohilux] #820870 06/25/07 02:41 PM
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I've just installed my 22R-e after a complete overhaul w/ pistons, bearings, oil pump etc. It started up directly and ran amazingly! After what I've been through with my last engine I didn't think a toyota could run that great...but
the gauge for the oil pressure barely moves. When I rev the engine to 4000 rpm the marker barely reaches the first notch on the gauge. If I recall correctly my last engine always ran with the gauge pointing at the middle, alongside with the temp gauge. I have switched the entire cluster to one from a 1990 model and my oil pressure sending unit come from my stock 1993 engine. Could that be it?



How much clearance do your rod and main bearings have?

Are all of the threaded plugs installed in the block and are they tight? They could be leaking.


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Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: zoomschwortz] #820871 06/25/07 03:35 PM
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I've just installed my 22R-e after a complete overhaul w/ pistons, bearings, oil pump etc. It started up directly and ran amazingly! After what I've been through with my last engine I didn't think a toyota could run that great...but
the gauge for the oil pressure barely moves. When I rev the engine to 4000 rpm the marker barely reaches the first notch on the gauge. If I recall correctly my last engine always ran with the gauge pointing at the middle, alongside with the temp gauge. I have switched the entire cluster to one from a 1990 model and my oil pressure sending unit come from my stock 1993 engine. Could that be it?



How much clearance do your rod and main bearings have?

Are all of the threaded plugs installed in the block and are they tight? They could be leaking.


>>>*Yes, the pesky oil galley plugs. Machine shops often remove those to assure the oil galleys are cleansed.

*Having done this, they can be forgotten. The one in the rear you will know about if it is missing from the pool of oil on the floor.
The one under the oil pan will give you zero oil pressure if it is missing.

The one in the front however, will give just a tiny trace of pressure, best to check that.

The oiling system on these engines is amazing. The front mounted oil pump drives right off the crankshaft and if there is any oil at all the shaft will lube. I will say that I have never seen a "defective" oil pump, the design will deliver oil when the pump is all but worn out!

If idle pressure is very low, then suspect a bypass valve stuck wide open, but even if this is the case the pressure will recover at speed, just slower than normal.

If this all checks, then next is bearing clearences. The rod bearings can be as loose as standard bearings on a .010" undersize journal and still make 30#, that simply sounds like the valves need adjusted. We had one gentleman that didn't like the "cheap" .010" Rock bearings we supplied, so he went and bought a set of Standard Clevites...*LOL**..

Drove the thing for a month that way, finally pulled it out and brought it to us. We had a nice laugh at his expense, and installed a correct set, it wasn't hurt a bit.

The mains, on the other hand, will let oil pressure drop rapidly after .004" clearence. Anything between .0008" to .003" will run perfectly normally.

Other than a plugged oil galley, (dirt, silicone, etc) that is it, or a main line out of round which is a bit rare on these. That can happen, almost always drawing inwards at the parting line. This will give vertical excess clearence assuming she doesn't just lock up when snugging the main cap bolts. Even when we see this, she will make fair pressure, just not sweet. The cause of course is the housing draws the bearing shell into a vertical elipse. The only solution then is to dress the main line to round again.

The gauge is one of Toyota's weak links. I am not sure why, but the 22R and RE is the one engine that we always check the gauge first, about half of them read wrong. Sometimes way high and sometimes way low.

*Maybe that is why so many just use a light?..If the gauge checks and pressure is still low, suspect main bearing clearences.

One other thing. If she is nice and wet up top, lots of oil up there, don't worry about it, just drive it. If it gets to there, it is getting to everyplace else too........*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: engnbldr] #820872 06/27/07 04:06 PM
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huskyohilux Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
The engine isn't leaking a single drop of oil. The different plugs you were talking about if they were loose they should be leaking, right? I'm pretty sure that the machine shop didn't loosen anything.
About the bearing clearence, I've got no idea. I just installed the std bearings that came with your kit.
I think I'm gonna get a mechanical gauge to verify how much pressure I actually got. How much pressure would be sufficient?

Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: huskyohilux] #820873 06/27/07 09:18 PM
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The engine isn't leaking a single drop of oil. The different plugs you were talking about if they were loose they should be leaking, right? I'm pretty sure that the machine shop didn't loosen anything.
About the bearing clearence, I've got no idea. I just installed the std bearings that came with your kit.
I think I'm gonna get a mechanical gauge to verify how much pressure I actually got. How much pressure would be sufficient?


>>>*I would suggest that if you do get a lower than normal reading that you suspect the bearing clearences. It is possible that at one time or another the engine was reconditioned, and this could mean the shaft is undersize.

If so, this will exactly explain your oil pressure situation...The book says 4.6# at 750 idle as a minimum, we typically see around 15-20# as normal if all is nice and snug....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Low oil pressure? [Re: engnbldr] #820874 06/28/07 10:05 AM
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huskyohilux Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I don't think the engine ever has been reconditioned before. It had 200000 miles on it and it certainly looked like it too. Besides nobody here in Sweden bothers to restore japaneese engines since the parts here are very expensive and hard to come by. That's why I oredered from you!
BTW if the engine hasn't been worked on before is it still possible that the shaft could be worn so that the std bearings are oversized?
Back to the pressure, are those measurements in psi, I need to know in order to convert to "bar" as we use here?
I'm getting the new gauge today and hoping for a good reading!

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