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Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: Dieselshop] #840046 10/10/07 02:06 AM
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subliminaltrips Offline
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directly from 4 crawler's site

Thermostat:

After everybody looked at me like I was crazy for saying that it ran hotter with the heat on, I went to the dealership and bought t-stat part # 90916-03070. This did the trick. What happens on the 22R and 22RE engine, when the coolant goes through the heater core it gets cooled off enough that when it gets dumped back in on top of the t-stat it shuts it. Therefore the temperature in the engine continues to go up. The t-stat that I have mentioned has two valves in it, one at the regular temp. and one smaller on at a cooler temp. If the cool water shuts the big one, the smaller one stays open. The overshooting/spiking temperature gauge may aslo appear independent of heater operation.

All this may happen because of some flow instability in the cooling system or the lack of a by-pass hose, which on other systems, keeps hot coolant running on the t-stat. On the subject of the overheating thread, an engine can run hotter with no t-stat. But it would probably be a system configured differently than the 22re. Mine runs cold when the t-stat is removed. Just a minor change in components can trigger this problem. In my case, I had a rebuilt engine installed. No problems with the original engine, but the new one (block and head - wame water pump, t-stat, radiator, etc.) was enough to trigget the temperature gauge overshoot.

Another advantage of the 2-stage thermostat is that the thermal "inertia" of a thermostat is greatly affected by the mass of the temperature sensing element (a.k.a. slug) on the thermostat. The normal single-stage t-stat has one big valve with a large spring and a large slug to force the spring open. The 2-stage t-stat, on the other hand, has a tiny valve and a medium sized valve, with tiny and medium sized springs and slugs. This lets the smaller t-stat valve react very fast to engine temperature changes and the medium sized valve, although a bit slower, still operates faster that the one large valve.

A lower-cost version of this can be done by drilling one or more small holes around the edge of the single state t-stat to allow some coolant to flow all the time. This functions like the normal bypass hose on other engine designs.

On the subject of thermostats (or turd-mo-stats for Toy4x4 old-timers:-), I once tried one of those "fail safe" thermostats. A normal t-stat has a spring that holds the valve closed and the slug forces the valve open in response to coolant temperature. The slug has a sealed chamber with a temperature sensitive medium in it that expands when heated. The typical t-stat failure mode is that the chamber leaks or swells, preventing the t-stat from opening. The fail safe thermostat has a catch that is engaged when the t-stat valve opens fully and then the valve is held open. I guess the idea is that if the engine ever does begin to overheat, the t-stat locks open and prevents further damage. Well anyway, I had installed one once, and it worked fine. One day, I lost the silicone oil out of my fan clutch (didn't notice this until later when I popped the hood and saw the results) on a hot (100F) day. I recall seeing a slight temp rise once, but nothing too bad. Some weeks later, on a cool night, I turned on the heater and got almost no heat. This is when I popped the hood, saw the oil sprayed all over and put two and two together. Pulled the t-stat out and sure enough, it was latched open, so I guess it did its job. However, I now had to replace the t-stat, since once it locks open, it can't be reused. But I guess this also shows the engine runs cooler with at least a wide open t-stat in it.
2-stage thermostat p/n 90916-03070

link to page...
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: subliminaltrips] #840047 10/11/07 01:47 AM
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Dieselshop Offline OP
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well 16 psi cap and still over heated, hey I was thinking when i built the motor I was not sure of what cam i had a carbed or efi is there a differnce in the cams, I think i am running a carbed cam? and now the clutch is slipping smile just replaced the slave cylinder, 16 bucks they did not have the master and man I could not get the air out of the slave, i will try to find a master tomorrow would you believe my luck!

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: Dieselshop] #840048 10/11/07 04:10 AM
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ZUK Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Diesel-- Where did you get the new radiator? Was it truly new?


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Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: ZUK] #840049 10/11/07 10:47 AM
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Dieselshop Offline OP
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got it from napa, and it cam with a 6psi cap??

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: Dieselshop] #840050 10/11/07 06:44 PM
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RustyToy Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
The cam is the same from 22re to 22r the only difference is that the 22r cam has a lobe on it right begind the distributor gear, that is used to power the mechanical fuel pump. It does not effect anything though. My thought is that the new radiatior got clogged by debris in your "new" engine's coolant lines, same thing happened to me when i put in a junk yard engine. There was just a bunch of rust and scale clogging up my radiatior that was previously a great free flowing radiator. I got a new one, and it has been going great ever since.

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: RustyToy] #840051 10/15/07 01:37 AM
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Dieselshop Offline OP
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Just alittle update, I checked my reciept from napa for the radiator they sold me and on there web site it came up for a 2 wheel drive, the 4 wheel drive rad is a larger unit? why would they make two differnt rads? whell I got the right rad and should be able to get it in in the morning.

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: Dieselshop] #840052 10/19/07 04:38 AM
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ZUK Offline
Body Damage is Cool
How's it doing now?


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01 Taco xtracab V6 auto TRD white
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88 Runner/V6/auto/31"/5.29gear

Re: over heating at high speeds [Re: ZUK] #840053 10/20/07 01:30 AM
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Dieselshop Offline OP
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man I put the 4x4 rad in and it is right on now, there is a really big differnce in size between the two wheel drive and four wheel drive rads. thanks for all the help truck is running great knock on wood.

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