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Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852251 12/13/07 09:55 PM
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Andie Offline
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The 04's come with 2 types auto transmissions, both are Asin Warner. Luckily the one for the 3.2 does require Dex 111. In researching for my fluid, the only source for the fluid for the 3.5 was the Isuzy dealership, and it was only avaible in five gallon containers. Andie


2004 Rodeo, auto, 4x4, 913 OME, Kangaroo chasher
05 Saab, Assorted trucks
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852252 12/17/07 07:00 PM
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Yup, I've got the 3.5L DI. I'm told it's a Toyota variant.

I think we're talking about the tranny, which as someone pointed out is an Aisin-Warner variant. Though Toyota uses them also, I'll argue that these are AW compontents, and that AW is an upstream manufacturer of components, servicing many makes... sorts like Dana, Muncie, New Process, and etc. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> So retract that 'Toyota' part, young man! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

As to the root of the question, why Isuzu is instructing Isuzu juice for your AW tranny, I can't say. I expect that any quality ATF would work, but you probably remember the folks who thought similar for the mega-bucks NV4500 or similar trannies, and what a painful lesson that was.

If it were me, I'd be torn between finding out what the juice really NEEDS to be and just ordering a case of Isuzu-labeled juice from St. Charles Isuzu in Missouri.

Randii

Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: randii] #852253 12/17/07 09:20 PM
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holger Offline
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As to the root of the question, why Isuzu is instructing Isuzu juice for your AW tranny, I can't say. I expect that any quality ATF would work,


I am afraid it is rather a special fluid. There is a service bulletin:

Isuzu currently offers two (2) types of Automatic Transmission Fluids these are specific to the transmission type. The new "Slip Control System" (SCS) Aisin transmission mated to the Direct Injection (DI) 3.5L engine requires a specialized "Slip Control System" (SCS) fluid. This fluid has been developed to work in conjunction with the new torque converter clutch material to provide a positive shift and reduce wear. The new Isuzu SCS Automatic Transmission Fluid needs to be used whenever a SCS Aisin transmission is serviced (see figure 1).
NOTE: The SCS Automatic Transmission Fluid is currently available through AIPDN in quarts (p/n 2-90531-200-0) and 5-gallon (p/n 2-90531-201-0) containers. Refer to parts bulletin no. AIPDN-PTS-SUV26-03 for additional information.


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Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852254 12/18/07 12:47 AM
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I searched the Internet on the words "slip control system" and "ATF" and "AT" and "Aisin". Not surprisingly, I found that there are lots of efforts to improve the functionality of the modern ATs. Some patents are issued. The companies are working actively on the improvements. The new Aisin AT is obviously the result of these efforts. But what is weird is that the non-standard ATFs are necessary for the new transmissions. May be, they made some design mistakes, and only later, when vehicles are in production, they realized that they need a special treatment for their transmission. I do not know, why anybody would want a custom ATF for the transmission.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852255 12/20/07 02:06 AM
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UPDATE:
The 265/75-16s really don't fit the front of the '04 Rodeo. I wouln't recommend them.



That said, can you guess what size I got? They fit fairly well on the rear but the fronts rub the outside of the tread corner in the area of the rocker seam.

What I did (that I'll have to fix later) was take off the front flare and door piller protector, then I hit the lower area, where the rocker seam is, with a hammer a few times. This chipped the paint off that area, and bent it up pretty good.

After a trip to the parts place, I came home with some of those cheasy coil spring seperators (clamps that either lower or lift coils). The rear is about 36" from floor to fender. I have no idea what it was, but a guess is only about 1"-1.5" of lift. I'm in the process of turning up the springs, only enough to clear. I'm at 2 turns, so far.

Later, I plan to get some black UHMW (from McMaster-Carr), and make a flare/door piller protector that's one piece. This will save about 1/4". After that, I'll sand the area where I chipped off the paint, and paint the whole rocker with POR15 or some kind of black stuff.

The cool thing is, My Wife digs the look. I've just about got her talked into the need for a metal front bumper. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852256 12/20/07 04:48 AM
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holger Offline
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UPDATE:
The 265/75-16s really don't fit the front of the '04 Rodeo. I wouln't recommend them.


Yes, these tires are 32", you would have to cut a lot.

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That said, can you guess what size I got? They fit fairly well on the rear but the fronts rub the outside of the tread corner in the area of the rocker seam.


this sounds like 265/70-16.

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After a trip to the parts place, I came home with some of those cheasy coil spring seperators (clamps that either lower or lift coils).


get the poly coil spacers from Matt, those are much better.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852257 12/21/07 06:10 PM
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Do the coil spacers go under the coils? If all I want is about 1.5" lift, that may be the hot ticket.

And yes, I'm running 265/75s. I didn't know they were near 32" or I wouldn't have bought them. Everyone knows 32s won't fit. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Seriously, though... The rear's fine. I'm having to do some real tricky work up front to keep it looking like I haven't been involved in the project. All the other vehicles I've done usually get touched by a sawzaw by now. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852258 12/21/07 06:22 PM
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holger Offline
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Do the coil spacers go under the coils? If all I want is about 1.5" lift, that may be the hot ticket.


the coil spacers are placed over the top of the coils, between the coils and the coil seats. There is a choice of 1" and 2" spacers in Matt's shop. You probably will be better with 1" spacers. With 2" spacers and with OME coils, you would have to deal with more issues (you would need even longer rear shocks, and bent upper rear links to go around the "strategically placed" Rodeo's gas tank).


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852259 12/21/07 06:40 PM
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FEF Offline OP
Wheeler
Good Lord, Guys... You're killing me!!!

So, I go to Matt's site and I find...
Rockers $380.
Front Bumper $850.
Rear Bumper (assuming it can be made to fir the Rodeo) $750
And this little winch $800. , just in case... I can double up the line and use a strap, if I need more pull.

That's something like $3500. Hummmmm... while not cheap, it's good stuff and would turn Brody into a rather nice light trail rig.

Well, it's only money. Right?


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852260 12/21/07 08:51 PM
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holger Offline
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Probably, I am not much of a wheeler... I still do not have either steel bumper (although Axiom has pretty strong steel bumpers behind the plastic stuff). Nor I have a winch. I prefer to concentrate on the stuff that keeps me out of trouble (clearance, suspension, traction). For the sort of wheeling I am doing, this is enough.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
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