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Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched #861991 01/22/08 06:03 AM
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SALMONHEAD Offline OP
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So I pulled the header to replace the gasket and check out what had become of the missing stud. Of course the reason was that the prior owner had broken one off AND had tried to drill it out. So what I found was a gouged out hole app. 1/2 - 5/8" in diameter with this stud still deep inside and the head material below and to the right of the whole is gone. So do I have any options besides a new head? I put it back together in the meanwhile with a "remflex" crushable gasket and ultra copper high temp sealant.


84 4RUNNER,22R,HEDMAN,WEBER 32/36,Davis Unified Ignition,33" BFG
Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: SALMONHEAD] #861992 01/22/08 07:21 AM
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OutlawMike Offline
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Well,

You are going to have to pull the head, no matter what, unless you decide to live with it as is.

A machine shop, or, if you have access to a mill, could drop in with a two flute end mill and machine a hole in the middle of the broken stud. An end mill does not follow like a drill does. They may be able to get the stud out with an easy-out or other magic screw/bolt extractors. Depending on how much material is missing form the head, they would then be looking at welding, facing the sealing surface, and re-drilling/tapping that hole. Also, checking to see if the welding distorted the head itself and then correcting any flatness issues from the welding distortion.

All of that might cost more than just getting a replacement head.

I would bet that EB would have some good input for you on this one.

Mike

Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: SALMONHEAD] #861993 01/22/08 03:01 PM
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engnbldr Offline
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So I pulled the header to replace the gasket and check out what had become of the missing stud. Of course the reason was that the prior owner had broken one off AND had tried to drill it out. So what I found was a gouged out hole app. 1/2 - 5/8" in diameter with this stud still deep inside and the head material below and to the right of the whole is gone. So do I have any options besides a new head? I put it back together in the meanwhile with a "remflex" crushable gasket and ultra copper high temp sealant.


>>>*A pic would help me here but here is a trick that is slicker than butter on popcorn.

I have set the head up on my big rollover head master drill press, lock her down. I machine out the broken piece using whatever has to be done, then center up and drill and tap to whatever size the next clean mounting hole with threads will be.

Then mount a threaded plug, sometimes I just use a grade 5 bolt and cut it off after threading it in mounted in sealer. Sometimes if I have a nice chunk of aluminum laying around I will cut it to size and thread it and mount that, cutting a slot in the plug to allow a screwdriver to be used to seat it. That is best if through to the jacket, less chance of the head expanding away from the steel plug and ending up with a leak.

I have gone as big as 5/8ths on the Toyotas and even went through to a coolant jacket. I don't care about the coolant jacket, a good sealer on the threads fixes that. Much more than 5/8ths on some of them and you are getting into a port and that means either weld or discard.

Then I drill the stud mounting hole inside the plug itself, tap it out and and bolt her back up.

Of course it can also be welded back up and redrilled, but my way is stronger.

Bit of effort but worth it if the rest of the casting is sound.

I did that to an aftermarket Big Block Chevy head that was a $1000 casting once, the poor guy was off by 30? and already to 5/8ths plus he had broken off two tiny drill bits in there. I drilled a series of holes around in a circle, removed the chunk, it was so big I put in a 3/4" plug. His eyes were as big as silver dollars, watching what I was doing to his $1000K racing head...heehee..It was not only stronger than original but you couldn't even see it without a magnifying glass. (Well, I couldn't anyway...) It worked just fine and I got called a genious for that one. I just told him "nope, not a genious, just cheap!"... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: SALMONHEAD] #861994 01/22/08 04:07 PM
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SALMONHEAD Offline OP
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Thanks all, but I do not have access to any machine tools so I would be at the mercy of the pay by the minute machine shops.Since the 4Runner has app 240k now, I guess it's time to be thinking of a head.


84 4RUNNER,22R,HEDMAN,WEBER 32/36,Davis Unified Ignition,33" BFG
Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: SALMONHEAD] #861995 01/22/08 06:37 PM
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Thanks all, but I do not have access to any machine tools so I would be at the mercy of the pay by the minute machine shops.Since the 4Runner has app 240k now, I guess it's time to be thinking of a head.


>>>*Hmmmm...."Pay by the minute" machine shop?

Dang. I own a machine shop, what a great idea!...*LOL**...

Sorry, not to put down your situation which is a bummer but yes, a repair like this is tricky when badly botched and can run to well over $100. Sometimes just biting the bullet and buying a new piece is the best solution....Good luck!....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: SALMONHEAD] #861996 01/23/08 03:00 AM
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yota4runna Offline
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Thanks all, but I do not have access to any machine tools so I would be at the mercy of the pay by the minute machine shops.Since the 4Runner has app 240k now, I guess it's time to be thinking of a head.


How far away from Portland are you? You just read what Engnbldr can do to fix it, why don't you let him make the repair? Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: yota4runna] #861997 01/23/08 04:00 PM
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Vanishing_Point Offline
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Buy new or fix? Depends on the heads condition. If it's got bad valves, seals, cam, etc... replace it. If it was in good condition fix it.

Re: Broken Exhaust Stud - PO Already Botched [Re: yota4runna] #861998 01/23/08 08:59 PM
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SALMONHEAD Offline OP
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I agree that the $100 doesn't sound bad, but since the head has 240k on it I imagine it would need rebuilt.

Thanks


84 4RUNNER,22R,HEDMAN,WEBER 32/36,Davis Unified Ignition,33" BFG

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