Considering all the trails that have been closed the last 7 years and the fact that the National Forests are about to close off about half the existing roads, I would hardly call the present administration "off road friendly".

But just because a man's President doesn't mean he has any control over the Department of the Interior. At least that's what his apologists have been saying for years. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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Zogby Poll: McCain Bests Both Obama, Clinton

Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:06 PM

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UTICA, New York û Riding high after locking up his partyÆs presidential nomination, Republican John McCain of Arizona has moved ahead of both of his potential Democratic Party rivals in a national general election test, the latest Zogby telephone survey shows.



Perhaps profiting from the continuing political battle across the aisle, McCain would defeat Hillary Clinton of New York by six points and Barack Obama of Illinois by 5 points, the survey shows. Clinton and Obama are locked in a tight battle to win the Democratic Party nomination, a fight that has grown nasty at times recently and threatens to continue on all summer long until the partyÆs national convention in Denver this August.


The telephone survey of 1,001 likely voters nationwide was conducted by live operators calling from ZogbyÆs call center in Upstate New York on March 13-14, 2008. It carries a margin of error of +/- 3.2 percentage points.


Prospective General Election Match-up

3-13/14


McCain

45%


Clinton

39%


Nader

6%


Not sure/Someone else

11%



The introduction of long-time activist Ralph Nader into the mix is having an effect on the race, as he wins enough support to make a difference, the poll shows. Nader entered the race recently, charging that there is little difference between the Republican and Democratic parties and their presidential candidates. Using the same argument eight years ago, his presence on the ballot in Florida may well have tipped the presidential election away from Democrat Al Gore and in favor of George W. Bush. His run four years ago yielded less dramatic results, but the political atmosphere has changed since 2004, and may be more favorable for him again, the Zogby survey shows.


In the McCain-Clinton-Nader match-up, McCain leads mainly because of a significant advantage among independents. Among those voters, he wins support from 45%, compared to 28% for Clinton and 15% for Nader. McCain wins 79% support from Republicans, while Clinton wins 75% support from Democrats.


Clinton leads only among those voters under age 30, while McCain leads among all voters over age 30. Nader also does well among the young, winning 12% support among those under age 30. Among men, McCain leads 51% to 33% for Clinton. Among women, Clinton leads, 45% to 40% for McCain. Nader wins 8% among men and 3% among women.


Nader also does particularly well as a third-party candidate among progressives, winning 15% support from the group that would very likely otherwise go to Clinton were he not in the race. At the other end of the ideological scale, he wins 12% among libertarians. He also wins 6% support among both conservatives and liberals.


Prospective General Election Match-up

3-13/14


McCain

44%


Obama

39%


Nader

5%


Not sure/Someone else

11%



In the McCain-Obama-Nader match-up, the independent candidate is having the same effect. Nader wins 15% support among political independents nationwide.


Ideologically, Nader wins 18% support among progressives, and 12% among libertarians. He does less well among mainline conservatives and liberals compared to the match-up including Clinton.


An interesting factor in this race: the inroads McCain has made into ObamaÆs base and vice versa. McCain wins 19% support from Democrats, while Obama captures just 67% of voters in his own party. Obama wins 15% support among Republicans, compared to 73% for McCain.


As is the case in the McCain-Clinton-Nader contest, Obama wins among voters under age 30, while McCain leads among all voters age 30 and older. Nader wins 15% support among those under age 30, but has little support among older voters.


Among men, McCain leads Obama 48% to 34%, while Obama holds a slim 43% to 41% edge over McCain among women. Nader wins 6% among men and 4% among women.


Pollster John Zogby: ôNaderÆs presence in the race can potentially turn a lulu of a race into an absolute tizzy. The messages to Democrats are clear û number one, Nader may win enough support to get into the general election debates. Number two, what could be at risk is support among several key constituencies that the Democratic Party candidate will need to win in November, notably younger voters, independents, and progressives.ö


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Hillary's and Barrack numbers would be even less if they wouldn't count the under 30 voters, or maybe reduce their numbers by 75%. People under 30 simply do not vote, they never really have, even after the age was lowered to 18, and it is highly unlikely they will start now. Actually for the most part people under 45 don't vote that much, being popular with young voters is a waste of time, unlike Obama people like to claim "He has inspired young and pld people alike", inspiration doesn't matter at all. Dean though he had the nomination in the bag since he was so popular online with young voters, he was so dumb founded he had a break down <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />, even MTV's rock the vote fell flat.

The gun rights issue may be moot by the election, it looks like the majority of U.S.S.Ct. Justices are going to rule that states have no right to ban guns as in D.C., and that the const. right to bear arms goes beyond the militia, which is the way the second amendment is written, i.e, comma's in legal righting seperate, not link ideas.

I think Obama's Pastor Wright will be his own swift boat issue by his own hands. Obama is going to have a hard time selling his"I Love America" slogan when his wife and Pastor both hate America. His wife has said"I was never proud to be an American, until...", and his Pastor preaches "God Damn America". Unlike Obama claims his wife and Pastor are not like your family members, you choose your wife and Pastor. As the saying goes, you are defined not by the words you speak, but by the company you keep.

Bring out the Keating 5 at the exact same time another "S&L" crisis hits, only this time, much, much bigger and McCain doesn't have a prayer. The dumb crooked basturd can't even get support from his party.

Especially when this entire banking and economic crisis will be laid at the Republican's feet for failure to regulate and enforce regulations.

The world's biggest idiot will easily win this election, so long as they don't have an R in front of their name.

You just wait. The general election is a long ways away and our economic problems are just starting. And this time...Billy Clinton won't be the scapegoat. Bush and the Republicans will be.

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I think this is getting twisted. The DNC has the primary dates already spelled out (essencially a contract). Florida and Meatchicken decided, not the DNC, to move their primary dates up thus violating the "contract" and therefore legally can not be counted. The DNC did not decide one day not to count the votes, the states made move and put themselves in the position they are in.

A truly informed opinion is what our Founding Fathers intended to steer the electoral process. --- Simply voting along party lines, or relying on water-cooler conversations and hearsay (or their modern equivalent - namely, the opinions of media pundits, commentators, and correspondents) is tantamount to blatant ignorance.

Whatever your personal political views might be, it is your responsibility as a voter to be familiar with what each candidate has to sayà to listen to, consider, and reflect upon their actual words -- not merely the selected sound bites and regurgitated/spoon-fed media tripe; but rather, to actually take the time to hear and ponder the entirety of what they each have to sayà and only then choose a candidate.


That said, here is a video of a speech (the WHOLE speech) that should be viewed by anyone who intends to vote in this election û whether or not you plan to vote for this candidate is irrelevant; it is not the messenger, but rather the actual message itself that is important:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU&eurl=

In watching this 37+ minute video, in its entirety, I have to confess that I was impressed to see (for a change) that the candidate was addressing the audience as though everyone were sentient adults û far more like the great orators from decades past than anything I have come to expect from a politician in my lifetime.

Am I swayed enough to vote for this candidate? û Noà
But an extraordinarily valid point has been made, and hopefully the other candidates will take notice of it; henceforth paying our collective acumen the same much-deserved respect.


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You know, it really strikes me as strange that a candidate...not even a general election candidate, but a primary candidate, would be able to get that much media attention and that much media time to essentially run a 37 minute campaign commercial for free among all the major news outlets.

It's really just mind boggling. The man hasn't even won the primary and he's being treated as if he was making a speech to the nation as THE President of the United States.

I wonder when Ron Paul will get his 37 minutes to be able to speech to the nation...oh ya...he's not one of the...

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Just remember, in the end, the candidates are chosen FOR you. And that's the whole problem here.

The Keating 5 is too old to be used today, it is ancient history, and McCain was cleared of any wrong doing. Hillary can't use Keating anymore than McCain can use White Water.

The current financial crisis is the fault of everyone involved, from the stupid greedy home buyer who bought a home they knew they couldn't afford to the stupid greedy lending inst. who knew they couldn't afford the loan after the interest only period ended. Granted there was some fraud, but that has more to do w/inflated salaries to buy several homes, than it does w/the individual home buyers. Yes GW will be blamed for it, but responsibility lies more w/Congress(which Dems have done nothing since taking Control), than it does w/the Pres.

It doesn't matter if RP gets any face time, he is basically an idiot, and that is why he didn't get anywhere in the primary process. Yes he is right about the tax system and gov, spending needing to be fixed, tax plan is/was completely retarded, and was more than enough of a reason to not vote for him.

YouÆll get absolutely no argument from me thereà
Moreover, the whole æeitherûorÆ quality of a two party system leaves a whole lot to be desired û but donÆt get me started on that.


As far as Ron Paul getting his 37+ minutes û If a controversy about him were to ever æown the news cycleÆ, the media *might* point their cameras at himà

The thing about Obama getting that coverage û In allowing him to reply to the media saturation about what his Minister had said, they fully expected him to crash and burn, and wanted every second of it caught on video (for sound bite purposes, of course û since almost no one ever actually watches such things when they are aired)à but they got quite a bit more than they bargained for.

Even so, if youÆve been watching the coverage since the speech, itÆs right back to æbusiness as usualÆ, with all of the commentators doing what they do best <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


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As opposed to a "Fair Tax"...or no plan at all? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />