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3.4L First Gen trooper Compression #892137 06/23/08 05:14 AM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 239
Nick Muzzio Offline OP
Wheeler
Hello,

Well today I tried to time my trooper by ear, I think I got it pretty good. I disconnected the terminal under the center consul and it sounded so much better already, then I just went both ways till it sputtered and got it about in the middle and just moved it slowly till it sounded good. Then I disconnected the battery for a minute or 2 to clear out the ecu and plugged it all back together and it sounded a lot better.

I also pulled all my plugs and tested my compression and gapped my Spark plugs ( I went with 44 on the gapping, I hoped thats good for these 3.4's). But as I was testing my compression I wasn't super happy. My numbers were all over the place.


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115 | | 120
85 | | 115
135 | | 100

Front of engine


And I noticed on my 85 cylinder that the spark plug was definitely blacker then the rest with a little more crude on there. Looks like it was running rich or not sparking for a while and has some carbon build up.. I'm hoping that if the low compression is from carbon build up that running it a while will clear it out.... Other wise am I trouble here? Is there anything else anyone can think of why I would have such a difference in compression? Could this be related to my valve lash?

Anyone else have any compression numbers from their v6's?? Thanks


91 Trooper LS, 5 Speed Manual
3.4L Engine w/4.3L Throttle Body
Snorkel, 31" Pro Comp MT Tires, 2"lift,
ProComp ES9000 shocks and steering stabilizer

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Re: 3.4L First Gen trooper Compression [Re: Nick Muzzio] #892138 06/23/08 05:30 AM
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mlclark Offline
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Compression is compression. It escapes somewhere. Either past the rings, past the gasket or past the valves (or through the block or head, if there are cracks).

So...first, how did you test the compression? All the plugs should be pulled, the throttle should be held wide open and the engine should be turned over for an equal number of times per cylinder, 7-8 is usually sufficent. You can also watch to gauge to make sure it stops rising.

Then, other than absolute numbers, look for how they compare to each other. There are too many variables in engine age, gauge calibration, user error ect, to really stick with a published spec. 120-135 is the area you want to be in for most common compression ratio engines. Cylinders within 5% or so of each other is usually considered OK, although Haynes says variances over 30psi for the v6 are unacceptable. Personally, I would be pretty unhappy with a cylinder that was 30psi lower than the others. You might get away with as much as 10%, but in the end, your engine is running so it is no big deal and I would not tear apart an engine for the numbers you posted. Run it until it is noticeable.

If you did not test compression as I described above, do it again. Actually, do it again anyway and put a bit of oil (a few Tbs) into the low cylinder. If it comes up, it can be assumed to be a ring problem. If not, then valves (or gasket or other) can be considered.

Yes, your valve lash can affect compression, but you have hydraulic lifters and are technically running zero clearance on the lash. The only way to keep a valve open would be to adjust it to the point of compressing the lifter completely, then a bit more.

As for your observations on that plug, low compression means less efficient combustion and/or oil into the combustion chamber. So it is not a case of running rich (more than one plug would be affected) or not firing (you would know it from how it runs.

For goodness sake, get the thing timed correctly. By ear is great if you really know what you are doing, but I would not trust it for this engine (like Ed said), or any engine when timing lights are cheap and the process is easy. At the least, fab up a pointer, set it to 0* TDC and then scribe marks on the harmonic balancer. Just measure the diameter and figure the circumference. Circumference/360 will give you distance for each degree. Mark off 12 or 13 degrees BTDC and set it to that. Take it for a few WOT runs after it is good and warm and if it pings, back it off a bit. If not, advance it a bit.

Or, you can just pony up and get a pointer from the GM dealer. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Good Luck,
Michael

Last edited by mlclark; 06/23/08 05:34 AM.
Re: 3.4L First Gen trooper Compression [Re: mlclark] #892139 06/23/08 06:29 AM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 239
Nick Muzzio Offline OP
Wheeler
Thanks again!

Well I guess I totally checked wrong. I just took one spark plug off at a time and started it up and let it run for a couple of seconds.

The engine is quite new still (less then 20k on it) and I recently had the heads resurfaced (about 8k miles ago) from a rich running condition due to an idiot mechanic who grounded out my o2 sensor, couldn't fix the problem and told me to ignore my check engine light. (still pissed about that).

I'd love to buy a timing tab, I have emailed St. Charles and still haven't gotten a response (just the initial auto response). I'll have to call them during work one of these days (a little too late to do that now though considering I'm leaving so soon).

I really feel I got her timed pretty good today, sounded really good until I plugged the computer back in (still think I might have some kind of sensor or something messing with my idle a bit) but for the most part its running better then it has in the past. I will try retesting the compression this week and post the numbers. Thanks!


91 Trooper LS, 5 Speed Manual
3.4L Engine w/4.3L Throttle Body
Snorkel, 31" Pro Comp MT Tires, 2"lift,
ProComp ES9000 shocks and steering stabilizer

http://members.cardomain.com/sun_thief







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