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 So you wanna use E85, do ya?
#899382
08/08/08 06:41 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
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My son sent me this from his shop: Situation
1. Some motorists using E85 even though vehicle not equipped to handle ethanol
2. They may feel E85 is more environmentally friendly than gasoline
3. Experts worry this trend could lead to fires, especially at repair shops
Significant Points
1. Different extinguishers needed to fight ethanol fires
2. Ethanol can eat up o-rings, gaskets, which can then leak fuel
3. Repair shops urged to conduct close inspections
4. Even Coast Guard working on ways to contain ethanol spills
5. E85 mixes w/ water, so shops can't always be sure it's diluted
Says
"You're going to have a lot of car fires in shops because of this." -- Bob Lorenz, firefighting consultant, College of DuPage
"I sat across from a station here in Topeka that was selling E-85 and watched people; you would not believe the older cars that are filling up with it. I think we are going to start to see some of these older cars having fires." -- unnamed Kansas firefighter
"We did some testing and found that when we diluted E-85 by 500 percent with water it still burned. So now you will have shops that wash out tanks, wash out spills and wash them down the drain. Even heavily diluted E-85 is flammable and even explosive in the right environment. So when you spill one gallon of E-85 and wash it down with five gallons of water you've created six gallons of flammable liquid." -- Todd Hoffman, executive director, Scene of Accident
"An ABC fire extinguisher will put the fire out, but these dry chemical extinguishers do not stop vapors from being released -- so there is a greater chance of the fire re-igniting when the vapors reach an ignition source or hot metal. E-85 has a wider flammability range than gasoline and a lower ignition temperature; it will ignite faster and catch fire in a wider range of concentrations in the air." -- Hoffman Toyotas are not rated for E85. Igniting and burning down on the road is not on my list of must-dos. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />
-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: Red_Chili]
#899383
08/08/08 09:16 PM
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Joined: Nov 2006
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Getting the Wheeling Fever
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To be blunt (and i think i speak for alot of people on this one)... F*CK E85!
It may be greener, but at the end of the day its not any cheaper!
88' Xtra cab, 22RE, 5 spd, alumi flat deck, 3" BL, 35" muds...awaiting SAS.
'02 Ram, 4.7, REV 'Shooter' wheels wrapped with M.T. Baja claws.
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: PETE_YK]
#899384
08/08/08 09:17 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
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Family forum, now... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />
It is in fact no greener when total impact is evaluated.
-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: Red_Chili]
#899385
08/08/08 11:00 PM
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Joined: May 2008
Posts: 202
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Flammability: At low temperature (32?), E85 vapor is more flammable than gasoline vapor. However at normal temperatures, E85 vapor is less flammable than gasoline, because of the higher auto ignition temperature of E85. (Montgomery County Md. Fire/Rescue Training Handout)
Richard S.
88 Toy 4x4 Truck, 22RE, 3"BL, 5-Speed, Muds
Proud to be an American. Blessed to be a Texan!
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: Red_Chili]
#899386
08/08/08 11:13 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
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Toyota Moderator
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It is in fact no greener when total impact is evaluated. Any environmentalist will tell you that...not to mention the hit to food prices.. Thank the corn lobby and, American car companies pushing E85, and E85 vehicles (even though only a tiny fraction are actually burning it) because they were getting dramatic offsets to the corporate average fuel economy requirements.. Ethanol in small amounts (10% up to 15% max) is good as an octane booster and boosting a cleaner burn.. I think the only good that will come from it is spurring interest in developing cellosic ethanol (made of the otherwise waste fiber stalks, kudzu, old scrap wood or whatever you got as a waste product).
2000 4Runner,V6,Auto,31's, Sliders, Skids, On-Board Air, Air Shocks Related Interests: Welding, Ham Radio, Road Tripping (Blue Highways), High End Video/Audio Systems
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: PETE_YK]
#899387
08/08/08 11:13 PM
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To be blunt (and i think i speak for alot of people on this one)...*BEEEP* E85!
It may be greener, but at the end of the day its not any cheaper! I agree! You get worse gas mileage too! Whomever came up with e85 should be hanged.
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: Adam F]
#899388
08/09/08 01:49 AM
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Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,856
Body Damage is Cool
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E85 is not the solution .. it is a nightmare !!
It actually takes more energy to manufacture then the black gold , not to mention the impact on food costs !! this is NOT the solution , and would absolutly NOT use it .
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: CJM]
#899389
08/09/08 02:04 AM
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Joined: Aug 2003
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E85 is not the solution .. it is a nightmare !!
It actually takes more energy to manufacture then the black gold , not to mention the impact on food costs !! this is NOT the solution , and would absolutly NOT use it . Yes Cory but people are sheep, and where one goes...
(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
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Re: So you wanna use E85, do ya?
[Re: Rauch_Off_Road]
#899390
08/09/08 02:09 AM
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Joined: May 2008
Posts: 202
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Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cyclops.gif" alt="" />
Richard S.
88 Toy 4x4 Truck, 22RE, 3"BL, 5-Speed, Muds
Proud to be an American. Blessed to be a Texan!
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