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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: PartyTruck]
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12/22/08 05:02 AM
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OK, let's see.... leaving me stranded in either N or 4H. Only thing to do was ripping the shifter assembly off and re-aligning the F's with a big screwdriver and put it all back together with the shifter in the right place. OK, not so bad really. We'll see how that goes tomorrow... If your girlfriend did some shift-on-the-fly female style the T-case could in theory not engage Low range and bang the forks back into N and the shifter somwhere else. It shouldn't have a 2" play in it making me think the shifter might be in the wrong place. That's basically what I was thinking -- actually, I was thinking that it's stuck in between the 4-HI position and the "forward" part of the 4-LO, in other words, that spot where you move the shifter toward your leg before you shove it forward to get to low.... But, it's in the position, but can't actually GET to either gear -- probably because of the fork issue you mention... I just spent some time in the books. I expect the shifter will need to be lifted out. A bit time consuming but not bad to get to. Yeah, and on the upside, I can sit in the truck with it running and the heat on while I do it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I have a gut feeling some damage was done but the first thing is to get a look in from the top and see if the fingers are intact and still close together. Agreed. Your gut may be confirmed by the "grayish" color I found intermingled in the fluid. Looked a bit like shavings to me... Now, if I didn't just get laid off last week, damaged or not I'd use this as an excuse to do some kind of low gearing option... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> But we'll see if that's a necessity (replacing gears and/or t-case) after tomorrow... One question, can you determine if the truck is in 2WD or 4WD? Well, I do believe that the shifter is too far forward to be in 2WD, although who really knows. After conversation after conversation with her, I'm getting the feeling that it was in 4-LO when she pulled out, and because of the "high revving" she yanked it out of 4-LO, and subsequently munched it. So my feeling is, yes, the case is physically closer to 4WD than 2WD at the moment... But who knows what munching really went on just yet.... What also may need to be determined, Did a shift fork bend? probably not. Good, I hope not. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Did a roll pin get sheared off in a rail? This can and does happen. Well, damn, I hope not, cause I don't even know what a roll pin is! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> This is despite having done engine swaps, and having designed a lift that some of you guys are probably running (I saw a link to Valley Spring Works in the FAQ, they're the guys I first enlisted in 1998 to help me design the 98+ Amigo lift). But yet, very little tranny experience whatsoever.... Did one of the fingers in the case bend or break? I have no clue if that can or does happen. Let's go with, "That's not even a possibility" for right now, deal? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I do know one thing though, women, especially smaller ones can break things strong men can't. Well, that explains it -- she's 4'10. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I'll let you guys know how I make out in the morning. Anyone have the ability to post a diagram of said shifter removal? That would help. The transmission manual doesn't show anything about the lever -- it's all from there down. The FSM doesn't even discuss a transfer case.... If anyone has any help on that, I'd greatly appreciate it.... Thanks again,
Chris Perosi Isuzu Editor Emeritus OutdoorWire, Inc.
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: Chris Perosi]
#921613
12/22/08 05:56 AM
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Joined: Jan 2000
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Trail Leader
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I have nothing to add what's already been said Chris, except to say "hey", welcome home. I was there at the "beginning" with you, when Joe got this whole thing rolling. Can you believe it was NINE years ago?
Good to hear from you bro.<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Phil
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: PHIL_]
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12/22/08 09:28 AM
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Hey, Phil, great to hear from you too! And Joe -- how's he been? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Little Joe. I stopped by his place maybe 8 years ago on the way back from a Moab run. We had a little Indian food for lunch, talked about big tires and lifts, ate a little hummus. Good times.  Funny that you said, can I believe it's been 9 years... Because, on one hand, I feel the same way, and it feels like just yesterday we were all getting together on pre-4x4Wire mailing lists and bulletin boards... And on the other hand, given how different my life is today, sometimes it feels like, "Wow, it's only 9 years? Feels like 4 lifetimes ago..." It's nice to be back.... <Edit - OK, now I feel old. I didn't notice til just now that UBB has replaced the  emoticon I had posted above (yellow smiley with shades on) with the new, kid-friendly version, as in ;kewl;.>
Last edited by Chris Perosi; 12/23/08 07:22 PM.
Chris Perosi Isuzu Editor Emeritus OutdoorWire, Inc.
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: PHIL_]
#921615
12/22/08 01:55 PM
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Joined: Feb 2001
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Mitsubishi Forum Moderator
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I have nothing to add what's already been said Chris, except to say "hey", welcome home. I was there at the "beginning" with you, when Joe got this whole thing rolling. Can you believe it was NINE years ago?
Good to hear from you bro.<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Phil It is nice to see an old name pop up. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> (Talk about pot calling the kettle in my case). I remeber about 6 or 7 years ago being back in NJ with Paisan and a few others while you stripped parts off of one of your trucks. If my memory isn't failing me I think it was leased, and I also remember a conversation about used gear oil that was spilled on some interior carpet. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Blue skies!
DougH 1997 SR - Current Lawn Ornament 1995 SR - RIP 1993 RS - RIP
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: Chris Perosi]
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12/22/08 03:33 PM
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Joined: Sep 2006
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Roll Me Over
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To get into the top of the transfer you need to get the center console out first. Then dig down to find a metal cover plate that the transfer shifter comes up from. I expect you may need to get the transmission shifter out of the way. Once you lift the cover around the shifter you will find the top of the transfer case with a 4 bolt mount for the shifter. Clean around that and remove it. The upper part of the shift rails will be in view.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: OldColt]
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12/22/08 09:30 PM
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Joined: Jan 2000
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Mudrunner
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Hi, Chris. Nice to hear from you again. Hope you get your truck fixed. Is there another Monty you can look at to help you determine where the lever should be?
Thanks for the post. This is the most activity I've seen on the Isuzu forum in months.
Buy a Trooper. You'll be glad you did.
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: Craig]
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12/23/08 01:59 AM
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Joined: May 2003
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Body Damage is Cool
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After conversation after conversation with her, I'm getting the feeling that it was in 4-LO when she pulled out, and because of the "high revving" she yanked it out of 4-LO That alone shouldn't break anything, I'm sticking to my theory that she threw the shifter out of one fork infront of the other leaving it stuck in N. Pull the shifter and take a look-see.
1987 SWB Pajero 2.5 TDI on 31" rubber waiting for a hip replacement and bigger shoes
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: PartyTruck]
#921619
12/23/08 07:12 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 211
Wheeler
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I just fixed a stuck shifter on my '91. Problem: I needed to add 1 1/4 quarts of tranny fluid. I about kicked myself in the rear-end.
Update: Oops I lied. It was stuck again this morning. Although it becomes unstuck after the engine warms up.
Last edited by pvdub; 12/23/08 04:41 PM.
'91 RS, '93 SR
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: blinkerbox]
#921620
12/23/08 07:28 PM
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Joined: Dec 1999
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Good to hear from you as well, Doug and Craig...
Update on this -- yesterday brought issues with my girlfriend's munchkin (get your mind out the gutter guys, I'm talking about a 5 year old little girl...) -- high fever and ear infection. So the truck-fixing festivities got pushed aside in favor of doctor's visits. Not a whole lot of time to mess with it today as I have to go see her in her "Christmas Pageant" at 3, and I had some errands to run this morning. But I will keep you all posted on my progress...
By the way, I'm sure this is in the FAQ and I'm sure I can search it and find the answer in two seconds, but what the hell, I can't help but ask.
How much do I have to cut to fit a set of 33x12.50's on this bad boy? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Actually, let's call 'em 32's -- they were the smallest 33's on the market when I bought them 6 years ago or so, at 32.1" -- and they have at least 10k on them already... But it would be nice to stick 'em on there. I very much miss the hum of mud terrains while driving down the street. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Thanks again, Chris
Chris Perosi Isuzu Editor Emeritus OutdoorWire, Inc.
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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all
[Re: Chris Perosi]
#921621
12/23/08 10:02 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,649
Web Wheeler
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I always found that the shifter worked better when the rear wheels were unbound and rolling very slowly, engine idling in N, but I think you are beyond that.
I'd remove the shifter and see if either shift rail will move.
Hope the "pageant" goes well, and swiftly. I have one tomorrow...
Not responsible for advice not taken...
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