Yup the Sabot's are the ones <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.Remington put out another centerfire ammo as well called power level that is made for the 7mm and rem .300 ultra mag. I do want to get a Rem. 700 dps in the .300 ultra mag eventually as well. I really really wanna go bear and moose hunting in alaska.

300 will work on blackies; 45-70 is the answer for a grizz, tho' I must say my neighbor had some good shots for the 3 he had to kill, but then he wasn't on flat ground with 'em either. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />

I'll tell you like I tell everyone else-- come up while you're still ambulatory, or you'll be wishin' forever. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

I wonder if I can convince the wife to use our vacations for a hunting trip to Alaska this year lol.

What are the odds you can kill an alaskan brown bear with a .300 ultra mag?Is there such thing as flat ground in Alaska, I mean hell even the seas have mountainous waves.

Plan on flyin' or just forget it.

Just because it's flat doesn't mean it's stable. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />
Ever try walking on a sponge? A stair stepper is your best friend for conditioning, trust us.

Honestly, if you don't shoot all the time, you need to get in some range time and work that thing. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

Shoot, even my .338 ammo is $57/box now, but I still try and get out there. Personally I don't like the idea of trying to shoot while being charged- even a bluff-n-huff isn't too fun to confront and remain calm.

We took a friend's new 45-70 out last month after his bear encounters (that's where the bear trouble started last fall to begin with). Sat up some full milk jugs- the shock wave completely knocked off on jug sitting 6 ft away from the one being shot at. Pretty impressive. I think that one would be the muskox/buffalo firearm of choice. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />

a 300 Ultra mag will drop anything in North America. The issue is shot placement. 50 cal won't stop a bear if you hit him in the leg. The issue you have to deal with is what type of hunt do you want. 45-70 is only good for 100 yards or so, perfect for those close hunts in the timber and brush. I've never hunted bear, just 400 lbs wild boar with razor sharp tusks. I like to take my shot from a few hundred yards <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" /> I use a Reg 7mm ultra Mag

Ohh? hahaha

: new variation of the .45-70 cartridge was produced, the .45-70-500, which fired a heavier 500 grain (32.5 g) bullet. The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 3,500 yards (3200 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405. While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m)."

I've fired a .45-70, and while it kicks like a 10ga, it was pretty accurate at 300yds, albeit with a ton of bullet drop. IIRC, I did one group off a rest under 3". One of you gun gurus 'splain it to me...

Wiki:

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Were talking direct fire not artillery <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Here are the ballistics for the 45-70, your aiming 78.6 inches high at 300 yards to be on target. Bottom number are my 7mm Ultra Mag

100 150 200 250 300 400 500
zero -8.5 -24.0 -47.4 -78.6 -169.4 -301.3
2.4 2.8 2.0 zero -3.4 -14.5 -32.2

Then look at the muzzle velocity, 1330 fps on the 45-70 vs 3325 fps on the 7mm. At 300 yard the 45-70 only has 858 ft-lbs of knock down while the 7mm has 2364 ft-lbs.

So I stick to my "guns" that the 45-70 is only a short range solution and 7mm ultra mag packs 3x the knock down at 100 yards.

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ballistics for Remington ammo here

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/

Cool, Les. My .308 isn't too shabby either. Plus, I can get 20 rounds downrange pretty quickly with the semi-auto action. Not that 19 out of 20 would be anywhere near the target...

John B.