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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: cjensen] #959654 09/12/09 03:24 PM
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The bolts in question seem to be solidly rusted in place or have some sort of thread loc.

C.

Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: cjensen] #959655 09/12/09 04:00 PM
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The bolts have locktite applied by the factory to the threads. You can apply a bit of heat to the bolt heads with a propane torch to loosen the grip of the locktite, but be careful not to catch anything on fire or overheat the u-joint! Only apply the heat to the bolt head for about 30 seconds then see if the bolt will come un-done! The torque spec is 20 ft/lbs at the t-case front yoke.

At stock, no lift height, the lower control arms can be most easily removed if you only do one at a time, with the vehicle on the ground or on a drive on hoist. Make sure the park brake is set and the other wheels are blocked to prevent movement. The other arms will hold the axle in close alignment. If the jeep has been lifted, the best way is to remove the springs, then support the axle evenly and lift it up so the arms are parallel to the ground then remove and replace them one at a time.

At each bushing, look for any rusty dust coming from where the bolt goes through the bushing, or where the steel shell of the bushing is pressed into the control arm. Either or both ends could be the culpret. If there is rusty dust at the bolt sleeve, retorquing usually will fix it. If there is rusty dust at where the bushing fits into the arm, you should replace the arm.

An impact wrench will make removal and installation easier, but it's not needed. You should use a torque wrench to set the final tightness going back together. The front axle to lower control arm bolts get 85 ft/lbs, the frame to lower control arms get 130 ft/lbs. All the rear suspension lower control arm bolts get 130 ft/lbs. All of the front and rear upper control arm bolts get 55 ft/lbs.

Be sure to check the torque of the track bar where it connects to the frame and to the axle. The front gets 55ft/lbs at the axle, 65 ft/lbs at the frame end. The rear gets 74 ft/lbs at both ends.

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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: MartySoCal] #959656 09/27/09 01:47 PM
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Hi All,

Went ahead and finally got to the lower control arms over this last week +....
The drivers side and passenger side rear (where the dealership replaced the rear end) were a absolute [email]B@tch[/email] to get off....
I broke a breaker bar, Craftsman ratchet and a 13/16 box end and still couldn't get the bolts at the axle out....
Went over to a buddies place and with 200 p.s.i. and 600 cfm air gun was barely able to get the bolts out....
The bolts were heated, beat on, smacked on with BFH and still no go....

We went to take the passenger side LCA bolt at the axle out and the monkey at the dealership put the bolt in the incorrect way so the backing plate stops full removal of that arm....All three other arms were inspected and lubed, then put back together....The passenger side front LCA bushing was inspected and lubed....The rear bolt was just lubed....

The bolts were a bit rusted....

The noise is still there plain as day and it is coming directly from below the drivers position and forward...

So now what?

Any thoughts as to what to look at next?

C.

Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: cjensen] #959657 09/27/09 02:40 PM
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How were the upper control arm bolts and bushings and the track bar bolts?

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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: MartySoCal] #959658 10/03/09 11:38 PM
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cjensen Offline OP
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Hi Marty,

I've only done the LCA thus far.

I got a new bolt and bushing for the rear LCA that was torqued so tight and replaced it last night.
Took the front drive shaft out and replaced the u-joints with new greasable ones and replaced the centering ball/flange assembly with a fully greasable one. Also checked all hardware for tightness.

The items you suggested are the next items I thought could be checked. Along with the front sway bar links and the sway bar bushings.

C.

Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: cjensen] #959659 10/04/09 02:44 AM
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That must be one bad annoying noise!
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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: BigJim] #959660 10/04/09 02:18 PM
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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: MartySoCal] #959661 10/11/09 02:18 PM
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cjensen Offline OP
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Morning....

Spent Friday (was a rain day) going through "Silver" doing the upper control arms (UCA).

Driver side rear - no visible signs of chaffing, rubbing or marks / damage. Lubed and put back in place.

Driver side front - no visible signs of chaffing, rubbing or marks / damage. Lubed and put back in place. Save for the fact that I'd like to smack the idiot who came up with the worthless design for the bolt retainer on the front bolt. The clip broke off and gouged the UCA.

Passenger side front - same

Ugh! those clips that hold the bolts in place are just the pits!

Passenger side rear - 1st sign of any real rubbing, chaffing, distortion. The bolt the holds the UCA to the axle is bent! It's threads on the inside section of the bolt (the part that would touch the nubs/standoff's inside the bushing)are chewed up and distorted and the bushing itself has been gouged and the bumps inside the bushing have been worn down.

The rear sway bar bushings have been lubed and checked for tightness.....

I surmise that the Rear passenger UCA axle bolt is been the culprit all along and that by this bolt being bent inside the bushing it is catching on the nubs inside of it and literally grinding them off bit by bit.

What do you you think Marty?

Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: cjensen] #959662 10/11/09 06:46 PM
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Only TIME will tell.. If so your experience will be in vain! I highly doubt your ghost-like noise will be of help to anyone else...ever! What a trial it must have been for you. When we choose up sides I'd like to be on your team.
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Re: '06 TJ drive train noise [Re: BigJim] #959663 10/12/09 02:15 PM
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cjensen Offline OP
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Thanks BJ....

I just hope this noise will finally be over with. I put a call into the dealer to see if they provide some parts to help repair what I found. I hope they will help.

C.

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