The reds are a-n-g-e-r-y.

We have the ordasity to supply Taiwan with more weapons.

http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/51407-china-to-sanction-taiwans-us-arms-suppliers

I don't know what China is all upset about. America doesn't have the balls to go to war with a "real" county with real weapons like China anyway and a few billion in American arms isn't going to do jack to the red army and navy.

So, if China decides to march into Taiwan they'll get all kinds of neat American made hardware that they can steal and then copy.

Of course, since America doesn't build anything worth jack, the Chinese probably figure we don't have anything they want. Besides, half the stuff we're sending to Taiwan probably has Chinese parts in it, anyway.

Now it will be interesting to see what kind of back peddling firms like Boeing decide to do in the face of a very angry, but major commerical aircraft customer.

China has this country by the short hairs. Considering that, you have to wonder how much of this is just political grand standing by both sides.

If we actually had an principle left in this country, our largest trading partner wouldn't be a communist nation, who respects zero American or Democratic ideals or human rights. And certainly wouldn't have pissed away through enormous fire hoses, every last bit of our industrial technology, and might to the worst country in the world, thus creating a newest and potentially largest superpower which is now just a few years from knocking us complete of our pedistal.

Nope...we don't outsource parts that go into our high tech military hardware...not at all...<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/busi...a_10042415.html

Ever tried to find bearings that are "Made in the USA"????

I understand Timken moved their operations to China several years ago...

When I need to buy something major, I try to find anything that I can made NOT made in China or certain other countries. Note I don't specifically say Made in the USA, because it's now become literally impossible to find some products made in the U.S.

But usually, you can at least find a version of what you want made in a country somewhat friendly to the U.S. and U.S. values. Countries that I have no problem buying from, for example, are Japan, Taiwan, most European countries, Canada, Australia, Phillipeans, etc.

Countries, I absolutely try to avoid are China and Vietnam. Middle ground countries that I don't particularly want to buy from but are not as bad as China, are Mexico, Thailand, Malayasia.

But has anyone ever tried to buy a piece of clothing or a shoe, not made in China or Vietnam. Good luck. So, the misson is not always successful.

My view of military hardware is completely different. There is ZERO excuse for procuring military hardware or parts from foriegn nations. If we want to procure an entire product line to supplement something we have, because its far superior...like a British Harrier or something, that may be one thing. But outsourcing American made military hardware to foreign nations, such as M-4 production, or getting critical parts for our fighter jets, even military uniforms from China, is just insane. Absolutely insane.

Of all the lessons we've learned and then lost, how stupid can we be to have forgotten that the British and Russians almost lost WW2 due to their lack of production abilities and having gotten used to procuring hardware from other countries, including us. Whereas we were able win, simply because we have a completely unimpeeding production system that 100% entirely self reliant.

But whatever...discussing our military capacities and stratigities is probably a waste of time anyway, since our economy is in such shambles and our country has now become the laughing stock of the world. Our enemies could collaspe us tomorrow, without firing a single shot, by simply dumping the dollar and allowing us to collaspe economically overnight.

But to the know the very last thing we have of any superior value...our military, has also been sold out, should be wake up call to the last hold outs...who still think it's 1985.

I saw bearings "Made in Taiwan". They are our allies, by the way.

I think we still have the factories here if a war was to start. But training people off the street to operate things will take several critical man hours. I try to learn as much as possible, I learned how to use a lathe at 13. Wood working tools since 8, and I hope to learn how to weld here shortly. Gotta be able to adapt if you hope to be able to survive a situation <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" />. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

We "had" lots of empty buildings. Most of the machinery went to...can you guess? County spelled with 5 letters...I seem to mention a lot? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

But in the case of the west coast and other parts of the country where land was expensive, many of those empty factories have been torn down and replaced with everything from condos to shopping malls to housing developments. With most the scrap going too...well...I think you're getting the point.

At the other end of the spectrum, in places like Detroit, the factories are just dangerous empty rust buckets waiting to be bulldozed over, whenever anyone gets the time or money.

When a factory shuts down and moves offshore, they don't just leave all the machinery behind. In most cases, the machinery goes with the move or is sold off, usually to foreign buyers. The buildings are almost always emptied out and bulldozed, depending on the value of the land.

Now, with environmental nazis running everything, even if the land is worthless, the buildings and mills are often torn down with the land reclaimed into pasture or some other natural utopia that makes the greenies cream their shorts.

This is what I see in my part of the country. In poorer parts of the country, it may be different, but I think anyone would be hardpressed to find a factory, anywhere, that was closed permanantly, with equipment and machinery still inside, much less operational at all.

You can't just turn back on industry after you let it slip away. A few years ago, when the Iraq war was hot and heavy, a news article made the point that we have been so de-industrialized that there was only one single small company left in the entire country that could produce the type of steel required for armor vehicles.

The fact is, wars will never be fought like they were during WW2, where a nation like us, can hide from our enemies using distance as our primary defense and produce all the materials we want to win a world war.

But our deindustrialization will prove to be just as devestating to us as any war ever was. America only became the great nation that it was, post war, because after WW2, we were literally the only industrial power in the world that had not been destroyed by war. As a result, we profitted off of the massive rebuilding of the world in the 1940s, 50s and beyond.

China has overtaking us in that role...as the defacto primary industrial power of the world. And the seperation of our industrial might is increasing exponentially. Because as they grow, we decline.

Instead of our factories laid to waste by war, they are laid to waste by failed economic policies. Perhaps even intentionally. And now China and a few others, will bear the fruits of the world economy and expansion into the 21st century, while we continue to decline into a wasteland.

And then Americans can join the British as yet another failed empire with a population who will remain in denial about it for many decades after.

>>>*We went with King, made in Isreal, they are allies...*I think...

Then ACL, those should still be Australia, (don't quote me, been awhile) for American made we use...uhh...we....uhhh....dang....*LOL**....*EB

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good post Brian ... I would say your right ...But ...

"I feel" that China will melt down at some point soon ...

The only way China have gotten ware it is ..Is by keeping its people in the dark for 500 years now ... Well now with the web and all the Chinese people now have info about the rest of the world .. Big parts of China and its people are not Chinese and dont want to be under Chinese rule ... I'm 44 years old and I bet in my life time China will go the way of the USSR and melt down and brake up ... They have a population thats going to the streets and protesting now ...Give them ten years there going to have so much unrest to deal with that there not going to have the time to take over the world ...

Not saying I'm right ...Just thinking out loud

David

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