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How do I take those off? #1011520 10/23/10 05:25 AM
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canyonrc28 Offline OP
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I found where my 91 montero v6 is leaking. One of the braided metal hoses that leads to the oil filter. I just need to know how to get those off and what are they called. Can I pick them up at any autozone? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: canyonrc28] #1011521 10/23/10 02:48 PM
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It's your oil cooler hoses, from the oil filter adapter to the oil cooler. 24mm (or 15/16") wrench will get them off. No, they're not available aftermarket. OE only. A decent hydraulic shop should be able to repair them, if they want to.

Last edited by hazy_daze; 10/23/10 03:02 PM.

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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: hazy_daze] #1011522 10/23/10 05:19 PM
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canyonrc28 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Thanks. I will check it out very soon. Is that area common to be leaking from? They are metal braided hoses. I would think they are pretty tough.


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: canyonrc28] #1011523 10/23/10 07:42 PM
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They are pretty tough. Are you sure it's not leaking at the connection and running down the hose?

I believe the connections are called banjo bolts. The bolt passes through the fluid connector in this style. If that's the type you have, you may want to just unbolt it and see if there is an o-ring inside of the bore that could be replaced.

If it's one with a nut that can only be removed with an open-end wrench, try to use a flare-nut wrench to avoid stripping the nut. Fluid lines like those are sometimes found on automotive fluid connections like the brakes and transmission cooler lines.

O-rings are cheap, so maybe you can get lucky. Just be sure to get the right size. If you can, replace any flat metal washers that may be present also. If they exist, they would be quite thin, so don't lose them.

John B.

Last edited by JohnnyBfromPeoria; 10/23/10 07:45 PM.

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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: canyonrc28] #1011524 10/23/10 07:44 PM
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give the toughest $hit on earth 20 years and it will be slightly less tough. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> It happens, not an everyday problem but it does occur. Like stated above any hydrolics shop should be able to fix them or at least point you in the right direction, if the leak is bad enough, goto a JY or contact Russ about getting the block off caps. The cooler was in fact a dealer option on non tow package models.


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1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap.
1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5
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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1011525 10/23/10 10:09 PM
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It is a banjo bolt. It has a metal washer with a rubber sealing lip on the inner circumference. I fought this leak for quite some time a couple years ago. The ONLY way to seal it up is with the OE sealing gasket/washers, P/N MB033054. I'd also recommend replacing the banjo bolts themselves, P/N MB033025. I ended up replacing the cooler lines themselves after the leaks persisted between the loose cover on the hose and the hose itself.

They're not cheap, but $100 or so is worth alot of time IMHO. I wish like hell somebody would've given me the info I'm giving you, back then. I wasted alot of time on this. You can try to fix it if you're broke... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cyclops.gif" alt="" />


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: hazy_daze] #1011526 10/24/10 12:38 AM
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canyonrc28 Offline OP
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I did some checking around and there is a place called Parker Store Phoenix. They are supposed to be the hose experts. I pretty much learned my lesson about farting around with leaks. You end up spending more money try to semi remedy them rather than fix it the right way. I am going to buy a new hose. Besides, its shot anyway. Thank you guys very much. I always get very good advise in this group.


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: hazy_daze] #1011527 10/24/10 01:08 AM
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Got a vise and hacksaw and utility knife and screwdriver?

Remove the lines with a box end wrench 6pt preferred or a 6pt socket preferred, whatever fits best. A COUNTERHOLD (the female hole for the banjo bolt is in a bigis almost a must on the cooler ends because of the torque required fat nut shaped thing to counterhold) to pop it loose against the copper crush washer grip (some antiseize on the new installed crush washers will be a future blessing and show class).

Pad the vice jaws and clampt the flats of the banjo ends in the vice and prop the hose somehow. Using the hacksaw, cut at an angle across the metal hose crimp towards the banjo end, where the crimp is compressed to the tightest radius, cutting as deep as possible without nicking the banjo metal tube (you'll be cutting thru the rubber hose at the same time). Make your angle as parallel to the hose axis as possible and still have the hacksaw blade frame clear all.A WHIZ WHEEL WORKS WONDERS HERE.

Continue the cut away from the start point, spiraling around the crimp fitting in a stretched spiral around the fitting until the cut is finished except for the last little bit at the start end, and pop that with a screwdriver in the slot. Pry the crimp fitting off, and usint the utility knife, slit the hose along the long axis to the end of the banjo fitting nipple. Peel the hose off the fitting. It may be glued/adhered to the nipple, so scrape it as clean/smooth as possible. You can burn it clean with a torch if you keep the temp away from max and just scorch off the rubber.

The nipple should have square cornered sealing rings, like 3 of 'em. As long as you have the nipples clean, you can get a new seal on new hose with a hose clamp.

I didn't bother, but you can buy woven hose armor to replace the old (or even reuse the old and hide any new leaks), I didn't bother, but just used slit lengths of the old hose to get the new past rubs and the radiator core support. I bought oil proof hose sized to the nipples in a length equal to the old ones, looking for at least pressure to 100psi, plus 4 of the good stainless screwdrive hose clamps, 8 of 'em if you are at any degree paranoid, measure new hose off old hose, cut, route, and install.

I would lay some 200grit sandpaper on a flat surface (glass is nice) and rub the flat mating surfaces on the banjo fittings to be sure there's no spurs or nicks or gouges to hinder seal. File/sand off spurs and use some plastic metal to slightly overfill nicks/gouges and sand flat, starting with 80grit until flat.

NOTE:
Banjo bolts are somewhat fragile, being hollow and having a sizable hole so follow the torque limits - should seal on the new copper washers with minimal pressure. Banjo bolts use 2 copper crush washers each, so you need 9 new ones (the oil drain plug uses the same washer and the washers are one time use)... Use one under the bolt head and one between banjo head and cooler/adapter seal surface around the hole. You can buy these at any auto parts if you take an old one to measure off of, along with the banjo fitting to match to the hose... A smear of silicone lube on the nipple will make installing tight hose a breeze.

Most of the v6's have at least a seep leak as the old rubber hose rots invisibly inside the liner...


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: fasteddy] #1011528 10/25/10 12:01 AM
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MainstreaM Offline
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The o-ring in that oil filter adaptor has been known to leak on the starquests, which share the same setup. Might want to look into replacing those as well.

Kane


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Re: How do I take those off? [Re: MainstreaM] #1011529 10/25/10 12:41 AM
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sparkem Offline
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It is a common problem. I ordered a new hose when mine leaked. If I remember it was $57 for one and $62 for the other. This was for OEM 3-4 years ago.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
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