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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: StockRaider] #1017947 01/12/11 02:36 PM
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Excuse my ignorance here, but what are the advantages / disadvantages of auto-locking hubs versus manual hubs? On my Monty, and a 1988 Jeep Comanche pickup and 1996 Jeep Cherokee I had before that, they apparently all had 4wd with auto-locking hubs (I didn't have to step outside and turn the "dial" on the hubs).

With auto-locking hubs, shifting into and out of 4wd can be done from inside, yes? Or am I getting the actual locking of the front axle into 4wd confused with the speeds in the transfer case?



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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: socal1200r] #1017948 01/12/11 03:15 PM
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Excuse my ignorance here, but what are the advantages / disadvantages of auto-locking hubs versus manual hubs?


One advantage is reliability. Although not too common, we do hear of auto hubs failing. I suspect it's due to lack of grease more than anything.

Another is manual hubs won't disengage when in reverse.

As a road only vehicle, auto hubs are fine but for off road, manuals are preferred for these reasons. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Dumb question????? [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1017949 01/12/11 04:17 PM
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OK, well, I guess I'll be looking for some other gearing for her, since first is so low, when making a left turn from a stop light, it requires to be shifted before half the turn is completed. I could run at 10 or maybe 15 mph longer in traffic, but I feel like I'd get hit as other traffic is at 20 or 25 by that time. It's a pain in the tail end low first gear, maybe good for going up a 35% grade, but I have to drive this thing more in traffic. And no, I'm not a hot rodder.

I won't use second to start out.

Let me ask a dumber question then, by locking what is the hub actually doing? Is it the hub that engages with the axel that is always turning?

And if so, by shift on the fly, I didn't mean shifting the tranny 2nd, to 3rd, up to 5th, I meant running in 2wd and going to 4wd Hi. Is that correct? I would think that 4wd low is for climbing cliffs or pulling stumps out (lol)

Re: Dumb question????? [Re: Spook] #1017950 01/12/11 05:53 PM
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OK, well, I guess I'll be looking for some other gearing for her, since first is so low, when making a left turn from a stop light, it requires to be shifted before half the turn is completed. I could run at 10 or maybe 15 mph longer in traffic, but I feel like I'd get hit as other traffic is at 20 or 25 by that time. It's a pain in the tail end low first gear, maybe good for going up a 35% grade, but I have to drive this thing more in traffic. And no, I'm not a hot rodder.

I won't use second to start out.

Most on here prefer a low 1st gear for wheeling. Many would like an even lower low gear.:z:

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Let me ask a dumber question then, by locking what is the hub actually doing? Is it the hub that engages with the axel that is always turning?

The axle only turns once you engage 4wd on the transfer case. But other than that, yes the locking hug engages the wheel to turn with the axle.

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And if so, by shift on the fly, I didn't mean shifting the tranny 2nd, to 3rd, up to 5th, I meant running in 2wd and going to 4wd Hi. Is that correct? I would think that 4wd low is for climbing cliffs or pulling stumps out (lol)


I don't have my owners manual at hand but I'll check what it says later this evening if you still don't have an answer.

That said... Yes, shift on the fly typically means shifting from 2wd to 4wd while moving.

Even if your xcase is designed to, I would think you'd get better longevity if you shifted into 4wd while stopped & based on this, I don't shift from 2 to 4wd while moving even if it is supposed to be shift on the fly.


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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1017951 01/13/11 12:26 AM
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I've been able to shift both M/T and A/T 2.6 Gen 1's between 4HI and 2HI, once the hubs were locked, at pretty much any speed (on appropriate surfaces, of course).

You can drive in 2HI with the hubs still locked in case you feel you might need to go into 4HI. They'll stay locked unless you back up, like FastEddy said.

I'd really use caution going into low range, though. Full stop, in neutral, may have to let the truck roll just a bit.

Of course, don't try it on your truck if you're not comfortable with my technique. I just know it worked for me.

John B.
i do this about every other block, back and forth. never had any issues going from 2wd to 4hi at any speed, i just take my foot off the throttle when i do it to releive any stress of the drive train. i would warn against even thinking of trying to go to 4lo like this, full stop and in neutral. as for the auto hubs, i do want to upgrade to manual hubs but i have only had one auto fail. the auto hubs have tabs on them that get worn over time that will either not allow you to go into 4wd or get out of it. when i had the one go out, i could not get out of 4wd.


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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: Spook] #1017952 01/13/11 01:41 AM
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my experience:
Back when I lived it the wet cold frozen midwest, I occasionally had a little trouble getting the auto hubs to disengage at below 10 degrees.( I think all Raiders / monteros after 84 came with auto hubs).
A guy I worked with had an old Blazer. He said unknown to him, he had one auto hub locked up and the other wasn't. After running around at internet speeds something gave.
Although the auto hubs that come on the Mitsu are of superior quality, I just don't like taking chances. This isn't something you "Have" to do , it's just preferred by most.
I think there is a post under special deals on some brand new ones. I got mine off an old D 50.


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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: KrzyDav] #1017953 01/13/11 02:13 PM
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Manual Hubs? That would be me....

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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: off-roader] #1017954 01/14/11 02:47 PM
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Thanks Phil, that's what I was thinking. Actually, I've been running around on the ice and little snow on top in 2wd and I get around just fine without 4wd. The truck is very well balanced, IMO. Easy to control.

I understand the lower 1st gear for rock climbing or repelling (lol) but paying attention yesterday, it gets to 12 mph before it really needs to be shifted...is that normal for the 89 5 speed or did someone build the tranny with that?

Thanks for the replies! I need to relearn alot about 4wd, use to know more in the Army, just forgot some basics I guess, drive train was never my thing....I'm an old VW buggy type, lol.

Re: Dumb question????? [Re: Spook] #1017955 01/14/11 10:53 PM
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Thanks Phil, that's what I was thinking. Actually, I've been running around on the ice and little snow on top in 2wd and I get around just fine without 4wd. The truck is very well balanced, IMO. Easy to control.------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------I'd recommend using ---engaging you hubs---and 4WD High Range on ice covered blacktop. You most likely have an LSD rear diff ( look for orange label on drivers side door jam). That LSD can actually make you do a sudden donut in 2 wd on ice.------------------------------------------------------------------------

I understand the lower 1st gear for rock climbing or repelling (lol) but paying attention yesterday, it gets to 12 mph before it really needs to be shifted...is that normal for the 89 5 speed or did someone build the tranny with that?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------For 2wd High Range , 1st gear is pretty low,,,but I would not call it a granny low. I just need to roll a little bit to get momentum with this very heavy vehicle and shift to 2nd.(with this trans if you shift too quickly you might get a little gear clash 1 to 2nd,,,,this is normal with the typical slow synchronisers in this 'truck' trans)
For off road Low Range you can go thru all 5 speeds to do what you need to. I often end up using 1-4 on these long and highly variable ridge road around here.

Your trans hasn't been modified. Option gears are not made for this trans., it doesn't need it. Not much other aftermarket equipment is made for Monteros 'cause they don't need much or any improvement.

Google V5MT1 and see if this real good article on your transmission comes up. ( sorry I'm too much a Neanderthal to link it).---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sorry for anwering this like this ,,,I can't get the quote thing to work-----------------------------------------
Dave---------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the replies! I need to relearn alot about 4wd, use to know more in the Army, just forgot some basics I guess, drive train was never my thing....I'm an old VW buggy type, lol.

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Re: Dumb question????? [Re: KrzyDav] #1017956 01/16/11 02:39 PM
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Spook Offline OP
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Thanks Dave, so you're saying to run in 4wd on the streets with a little ice/snow.?

I have always been under the impression it was not good for a 4wd to drive 1. very fast, like 4th gear at 40mph or so and 2. That the road or surface sould be rather rough or snowcovered so that the wheels are actually grabbing something I guess, that the raod surface should not just be dry and normal....don't know where I got that idea or heard that. Myth or true?

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