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My TJ #1027170 04/24/11 09:45 PM
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BigJim Offline OP
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About once a month my gas gauge suddenly goes to empty. Nothing special has to happen to get it to do this. I usually stop, if I am moving, and turn the key off and back on a few times. This always has made the damn thing go back to work.
I'm fairly certain the problem is in a plug somewhere that needs attention.
My question is where should I start looking for this little problem? Since I always know for sure how much gas is in there, even without a gauge, I don't really need the gauge. However it would be nice to cure the problem.
Anyone?
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Re: My TJ [Re: BigJim] #1027171 04/24/11 11:40 PM
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I would start with the tank connection. It is easier to access than the dash connections. And, as you have no other issues, the dash connector should be ok unless the gage could be bad.


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Re: My TJ [Re: 4x4Wire] #1027172 04/25/11 02:46 AM
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BigJim Offline OP
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Yeah, I guess I'll crawl my skinny ass under there and give it a looksee..
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Re: My TJ [Re: BigJim] #1027173 04/25/11 03:00 AM
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If the TJ is anything like the YJ, the "skinny ass" ain't much use. The connection is on top of the fuel tank. For me, it is a matter of which is easier --- drop the fuel tank or separate the body from the frame to allow access.

Either way, it is more than a one ga Anna job...


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Re: My TJ [Re: 4x4Wire] #1027174 04/25/11 05:18 AM
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BigJim Offline OP
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Well if that's the case it's gonna have to wait! I have a full tank of gas and I surely don't want to drop it when it's that heavy..
The last tank I dropped was in the wilderness on a YJ when the fuel pump went out..
Hmmmm Maybe I'll wait till I need another pump... now that's an idea.
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Re: My TJ [Re: BigJim] #1027175 04/25/11 01:38 PM
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If you smack the top of the dash the next time it happens, and the gauge comes back, pull the cluster and clean the terminal pins on the back of the cluster. If you have a 98 or 99 TJ (Or XJ) there is a repair connector that gets a better connection to the cluster than the original one.

TSB NUMBER: 08-15-99

GROUP: Electrical

DATE: May 21, 1999

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN NUMBER 08-20-98 REV. A, DATED OCTOBER 2, 1998, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES AND NOTED IN THE BOUND TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN BOOK, PUBLICATION NUMBER 81-699-99003. THIS IS A COMPLETE REVISION TO THE PROCEDURE.

SUBJECT:
Erratic, Intermittent Cluster Operation/Intermittent Air Bag Warning light.

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves installing a repair harness containing a revised instrument cluster connector.

MODELS:

1998 - 1999 (TJ) Wrangler
1998 - 1999 (XJ) Cherokee

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Some vehicles may exhibit an intermittent illumination of the air bag warning light or an intermittent tachometer or speedometer drop out. An Airbag Electronic Control Module (AECM) fault code - "No Cluster CCD BUS" message will be present.

DIAGNOSIS:
Using the DRB III(R), read and record all active and stored fault codes in the AECM. This condition is caused by minor oxidation of the BUS circuit terminals at the instrument cluster connector. Electrical terminals will show signs of oxidation, which will appear as darkened lines or marks on the cluster male terminals. These often appear as gray or black marks rather than the appearance of oxidation or corrosion usually associated with higher current carrying circuits. This condition will set a "NO CLUSTER CCD BUS" message. The fault code will usually be stored and not active. THIS TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN WILL NOT ADDRESS FUEL OR OIL PRESSURE GAUGE ISSUES. If this fault code is present, either active or stored perform the Repair Procedure.

PARTS REQUIRED:

1 05016261AA Cluster Connector Patch Harness
1 04856975 Electric Contact Cleaner
2 04778570 Heat Shrink Tubing
POLICY: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:

Labor Operation No: 08-90-90-91 0.6 Hrs. "

It says that the gas gauge is not an issue with this, but I've fixed them by cleaning all the terminals on both plugs. 2000 and above already have the new style connector, and many older ones have already been fixed, gut the problem still occurs. Cleaning the connections again will fix it for at least a year or two.

The cluster will come out in about 5 minutes. Take off the lower knee panel, the upper defroster vent (Pull it straight up)to get to the cluster bezel scfrews/ Remove it, then there are four screws that hold the cluster in. The cluster will pull straight out, and the connectors, which are fixed to the dash will come off. With the cluster off, inspect the flat pins on the back of the cluster. You will see little black spots of corrosion on them. Scrape them off with a pick or small flat bladed screwdriver. Clean them with electrical contact cleaner. Apply dielectric grease,and reinstall the cluster

If the sender were going bad, or the circuit to it was intermittantly open, the gauge will read higher than normal, or over full in the case of an open circuit.

If smacking the dash and cleaning the connections to the cluster doesn't work, then there is an unlikely chance of a bad ground to the sender unit, or a short between the ground and the sender unit signal wire.

The only other possibility, is that the gauge in the cluster is bad, but it's also unlikely.

Re: My TJ [Re: MartySoCal] #1027176 04/25/11 04:59 PM
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BigJim Offline OP
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Yjanks Marty
I didn't know the tj cluster was so easy to pull.. I'll try to get to it today. If not today then soon..
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