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First an intro, then a question. #1027942 05/10/11 03:41 AM
Joined: May 2011
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theheep Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Ive owned and wheeled Wranglers for some time but divorce forced me away from a Wrangler and I stumbled onto a good deal on an 87 Raider. I had to sell my built TJ (60's, Clayton LA, Atlas, you get the idea) and get something cheap that was a good base to build off of. I got my Raider from a guy that got it out of a field and he rebuilt the motor and replaced alot of parts and fixed alot of rust. When I got it I immediatly put a new Summit racing 16 gallon sump fuel cell and VDO gas gauge in it cause the old tank and lines were just full of rust and the sending unit was shot. So bad infact that the guy had 2 inline filters in it and was changing them out regularly. He ran out of money and he couldn't find a replacement tank. Then I got the Weber Carb conversion for our trucks and while it now has twice the power, it was a real SOB to put in! The directions suck, the linkage I had to build for the AT kickdown to work, there are no schematics anywhere available that show you what vacuum lines you can toss and finally my question. There are two outputs coming out of the fuel pump on our mechanical ones. Which one is the return line to the fuel tank and which one is to be used to run to the carb inlet? I took a guess at it and used the one thats closest to the valve cover as the carb supply and the other one I used as the return line to the tank. The truck seems to run fine on a maybe 3 mile loop around the block but did I get it right. And for anyone else out there that is thinking of the swap, power for the electric choke can be pulled from the red wire that was used as the original cold choke hot wire. I cut all the other wires down to about 2-3 inches and taped them all up. And forget the Weber tech guys, it seems they have no interest at all in helping and thats if you can even get them to answer the phone! I capped the line that went to the charcoal canister and did hook up the valve cover vent for now till I can get one of those little 1/2inch filters to vent it to the atmosphere and just plug up the air cleaner. If anyone thinks it would be useful, I would be happy to post up pics of the end product in hopes of making it easier on the next guy. I ended up with a PILE of unnecessary vacuum related crap.

Re: First an intro, then a question. [Re: theheep] #1027943 05/10/11 07:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 16,227
off-roader Offline
Web Wheeler
*****
Welcome! Glad you found the wire and are enjoying your Raider.

You type like a good friend of mine... he likes to avoid the return/enter key... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I added those to help folks read through your thorough write-up.

As for posting pics of the end result, please do.

Ray
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Ive owned and wheeled Wranglers for some time but divorce forced me away from a Wrangler and I stumbled onto a good deal on an 87 Raider. I had to sell my built TJ (60's, Clayton LA, Atlas, you get the idea) and get something cheap that was a good base to build off of. I got my Raider from a guy that got it out of a field and he rebuilt the motor and replaced alot of parts and fixed alot of rust.

When I got it I immediatly put a new Summit racing 16 gallon sump fuel cell and VDO gas gauge in it cause the old tank and lines were just full of rust and the sending unit was shot. So bad infact that the guy had 2 inline filters in it and was changing them out regularly. He ran out of money and he couldn't find a replacement tank.

Then I got the Weber Carb conversion for our trucks and while it now has twice the power, it was a real SOB to put in! The directions suck, the linkage I had to build for the AT kickdown to work, there are no schematics anywhere available that show you what vacuum lines you can toss and finally my question... There are two outputs coming out of the fuel pump on our mechanical ones. Which one is the return line to the fuel tank and which one is to be used to run to the carb inlet?

I took a guess at it and used the one thats closest to the valve cover as the carb supply and the other one I used as the return line to the tank. The truck seems to run fine on a maybe 3 mile loop around the block but did I get it right.

And for anyone else out there that is thinking of the swap, power for the electric choke can be pulled from the red wire that was used as the original cold choke hot wire. I cut all the other wires down to about 2-3 inches and taped them all up.

And forget the Weber tech guys, it seems they have no interest at all in helping and thats if you can even get them to answer the phone! I capped the line that went to the charcoal canister and did hook up the valve cover vent for now till I can get one of those little 1/2inch filters to vent it to the atmosphere and just plug up the air cleaner.

If anyone thinks it would be useful, I would be happy to post up pics of the end product in hopes of making it easier on the next guy. I ended up with a PILE of unnecessary vacuum related crap.


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Re: First an intro, then a question. [Re: off-roader] #1027944 05/11/11 01:03 AM
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theheep Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Thank you, grammar was never one of my strong subjects. Come to think of it, none of them were? Any input on which output of the fuel pump to use? Im afraid to take it out on the interstate without knowing for sure?

Re: First an intro, then a question. [Re: off-roader] #1027945 05/11/11 03:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,649
fasteddy Offline
Web Wheeler
*****
It's been a long, long time since I owned a 2.6 with a carb, but I'd proceed like this. Get a small hand pump and a 15psi pressure gauge. Identify the suction line by cycling the pump lever and see which line has suction.

Seal the pump to the pressure gauge with one of the two output hoses, and cycle the lever and see if the pressure stabilizes at around 7.5psi. That is the carb bowl feed and the other is the return.


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: First an intro, then a question. [Re: fasteddy] #1027946 05/11/11 03:57 AM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 49
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theheep Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
thanks man! if anyone in the mean time can remember off hand and save me the money on the tools I could use that towards my bumpers and wheels and tires, and power steering and oil leak, and broken passenger side wiper bushing, winches, cage, you get the idea LOL








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