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 Turbo Raider with FIP won't start (FIXED)
#1039754
01/04/12 01:58 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
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Rock Warrior
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I was tooling down the turnpike and slowed down to allow another car come across in front of me and I felt the engine stumble. Like it lost power or fuel. Then I gave it gas and it was fine until I got off the turnpike and unto another highway. I was doing around 65 when it just went dead. The engine quit. I pulled over kicked it over and she wouldn't fire up. I had it towed home where she's still sitting. I checked the following, GM ign module, Caravan ign module, dist. pickup, and coil. The only odd finding is the coil checks out fine as far as ohm readings but when I try to make it spark, it won't. I get 12v at the pos. My battery is low now from all the cranking so I just put the charger on it. I don't have a way of checking the ECU as far as I know. Is there any thing else I can check?
Last edited by Angel Carlo; 01/07/12 07:21 PM.
1987 Dodge Raider rebuilt Quest block bored .040 over put together, and installed by Shelby. 5spd, '87 stock turbo, Intercooled, 2.5" exhaust. MPI with hard pipes, FIP Pro-4, MSextra MS1
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: Angel Carlo]
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01/04/12 02:23 AM
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Joined: Sep 2008
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Check the connections at your battery, especially the ground. Check between the ground and body with the battery hooked up. Nothing more than an ohm or so. Also I cant remember where the coil negative goes but I would trace that circuit to the end as well. If 12v in and no spark out that is probably the problem. Keep it simple and itll work out.
John
SOLD!!: 91 LS 95 SR Rear LSD front 95 LS front brakes Dons Bumper 10k Gorilla/Promark winch Safari Snorkel Dual bouncy 31's
1991 Chevy Suburban 33's. All other stock.
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: willwinchforfood]
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01/04/12 02:38 AM
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I'll check those out John.
thanks
1987 Dodge Raider rebuilt Quest block bored .040 over put together, and installed by Shelby. 5spd, '87 stock turbo, Intercooled, 2.5" exhaust. MPI with hard pipes, FIP Pro-4, MSextra MS1
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: Angel Carlo]
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01/05/12 03:14 AM
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Joined: Sep 2008
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Ill help anyone with an f-4 as their avatar. Badass is an understatement for that machine.
SOLD!!: 91 LS 95 SR Rear LSD front 95 LS front brakes Dons Bumper 10k Gorilla/Promark winch Safari Snorkel Dual bouncy 31's
1991 Chevy Suburban 33's. All other stock.
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: willwinchforfood]
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01/05/12 04:37 AM
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Ill help anyone with an f-4 as their avatar. Badass is an understatement for that machine. Just like on paper a bumblebee isn't supposed to be able to fly, the F-4 Phantom is proof that if you put big enough engines on just about anything, it'll fly! Gotta admit though, it's kind cool walking out of my office on Langley Air Force Base and seeing the F-22 Raptor demo plane doing its thing...amazing...
 1989 Monty SWB, 2.6L w/MT, 15" alloys, 265/75 Dunlop Radial rovers, rear air shocks, Weber 32/36, SQ oil cooler, (SOLD Oct 2012) Southeast VA, USA
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: socal1200r]
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01/05/12 06:20 AM
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Joined: May 2006
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Ill help anyone with an f-4 as their avatar. Badass is an understatement for that machine. Just like on paper a bumblebee isn't supposed to be able to fly, the F-4 Phantom is proof that if you put big enough engines on just about anything, it'll fly! I imagine the USAF is still teaching that Bernoulli's equation is the reason that aircraft fly, therefor a bumblebee can't. Bumblebee flight (as well as all flight) is easily explained by Newton's third law of motion "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." As has been pointed out here, Bernoulli's equation applies to incompressible liquids, not air. Push on enough air molecules and they'll push back enough to get you in the air. The F-4 had a variety of advanced aerodynamic factors built into it. Aerodynamic fence (wings bent up), downward bent stabilator (to keep the pitch control from being blanked out at high angles of attack), moveable ramp air intakes (to keep the engine from swallowing the supersonic shock wave), and boundary layer control (to give us relatively slow landing approach speeds). The 34,000 pounds of thrust didn't hurt. I'm sure there is lot more, but it's been along time....
89 3L V6 5spd SWB, Aisin Manual Hubs, 2 (suspension) seater Raider in Wheeler, OR
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: Bernoulli]
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01/05/12 11:43 AM
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Ill help anyone with an f-4 as their avatar. Badass is an understatement for that machine. Just like on paper a bumblebee isn't supposed to be able to fly, the F-4 Phantom is proof that if you put big enough engines on just about anything, it'll fly! Lo I imagine the USAF is still teaching that Bernoulli's equation is the reason that aircraft fly, therefor a bumblebee can't. Bumblebee flight (as well as all flight) is easily explained by Newton's third law of motion "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." As has been pointed out here, Bernoulli's equation applies to incompressible liquids, not air. Push on enough air molecules and they'll push back enough to get you in the air. The F-4 had a variety of advanced aerodynamic factors built into it. Aerodynamic fence (wings bent up), downward bent stabilator (to keep the pitch control from being blanked out at high angles of attack), moveable ramp air intakes (to keep the engine from swallowing the supersonic shock wave), and boundary layer control (to give us relatively slow landing approach speeds). The 34,000 pounds of thrust didn't hurt. Heck this is more fun than trying to get the Raidcan started lol. McDonald Douglas built some great aircraft, one being the F-4 and the other the 15. I believe the 18 also but Boeing likes to claim that since they bought McD. You guys ought to see my shifter, it's a B-8 grip off a fighter on a force transducer from an F-4. I'm sure there is lot more, but it's been along time....
1987 Dodge Raider rebuilt Quest block bored .040 over put together, and installed by Shelby. 5spd, '87 stock turbo, Intercooled, 2.5" exhaust. MPI with hard pipes, FIP Pro-4, MSextra MS1
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: Bernoulli]
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01/05/12 10:19 PM
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No doubt the F-4 was a very versatile platform, all the way up to its F-4G Wild Weasel days. Guess there are similarities comparing an F-4 to an F-22 with our Gen 1 Montys and the latest SUVs, with turbo this, automatic that, computer-controlled this, active/passive that, etc. Today's F-22 has 70K pounds of thrust on afterburner, which is double that of the F-4. The Raptor also has a radar cross section of .0001 square meters, compared to 6 square meters for the F-4. As with the F-4, I would imagine the main limiting factor on the F-22 is the human pilot! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1123251/f_22_raptor_all_out_demo_pilot_major_max_moga_describes_eac/
1989 Monty SWB, 2.6L w/MT, 15" alloys, 265/75 Dunlop Radial rovers, rear air shocks, Weber 32/36, SQ oil cooler, (SOLD Oct 2012) Southeast VA, USA
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Re: Turbo Raider with FIP won't start
[Re: Angel Carlo]
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01/07/12 07:21 PM
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The RaidCan is back on the road. It was the Caravan module. Thanks to all for your help.
1987 Dodge Raider rebuilt Quest block bored .040 over put together, and installed by Shelby. 5spd, '87 stock turbo, Intercooled, 2.5" exhaust. MPI with hard pipes, FIP Pro-4, MSextra MS1
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