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2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? #1042499 02/22/12 05:56 AM
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boostin Offline OP
Mudrunner
Hello

I have basically a stock 2.6 auto except for full 2.25 exh no cat, just wondering what you guys set your ignition timing to, i have it at about 12 deg and seems to pull ok with no detination..


Am i in the ball park?


1989 Mighty Max 4WD 2.6 Turbo,Auto EFI...megasquirt! 4.62 Rear LSD!
1989 Mighty Max 2WD 2.6 5 speed slammed
1993 Eagle Talon TSI
Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: boostin] #1042500 02/23/12 05:55 AM
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My trucks are 7 TDC with dizzy unplugged.

Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: rxinhed] #1042501 02/24/12 02:18 AM
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Mudraider Offline
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Mine is set at 8degrees.

Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Mudraider] #1042502 02/24/12 05:58 AM
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boostin Offline OP
Mudrunner
pretty surprised you guys stick with basically stock timing, there is a little more low end to gain with 10 12 with no detonation I find!


1989 Mighty Max 4WD 2.6 Turbo,Auto EFI...megasquirt! 4.62 Rear LSD!
1989 Mighty Max 2WD 2.6 5 speed slammed
1993 Eagle Talon TSI
Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Mudraider] #1042503 02/24/12 05:58 AM
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7-10*btdc is book, iirc...


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Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Mudraider] #1042504 02/24/12 07:03 AM
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I use an old Crane HI-6 ignition system with the dash-mounted adjustable timing adjust option. I usually set it right on the edge of detonation - which varies on any given day.

My current spark plugs have a heat range 3 settings cooler than the factory-recommended plug - which allows the timing to be advanced a bit over stock. The plugs also got a "fluff-n-buff" job with a bench grinder buffing wheel before installation, to remove the sharp edges on the ground electrode. Sharp edges tend to encourage detonation, so "smooth" is good.


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Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Skibane] #1042505 02/24/12 05:31 PM
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My current spark plugs have a heat range 3 settings cooler than the factory-recommended plug - which allows the timing to be advanced a bit over stock. The plugs also got a "fluff-n-buff" job with a bench grinder buffing wheel before installation, to remove the sharp edges on the ground electrode. Sharp edges tend to encourage detonation, so "smooth" is good.


Detonation is from when you have two flame fronts that collide. Since the initial flame front starts at the spark plug, and you cant burn fuel twice the plug is not a factor in detonation.

The only way it could have an effect is if you had pre ignition that caused detonation ( not a common occurrence). Since you dont have any large holes in your pistons, I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened.

As far as plug heat ranges go, I'm running NGK BPR6EY's on a 2.6 running 14 PSI of boost with about an 8.3 to 1 CR and I have never had a pre ignition problem. I did test 7's and 8's, but eventually went back to the 6's. The 8's were just too cold. The 7's worked OK.

A rule of thumb is 10? of extra timing = one heat range colder. Each heat range change drops the plug temp about 100?C. Optimal temp is around 800?C. Assuming that the stock plugs are nominally at 800?C, three ranges gets you 500?C.

To get a plug to self clean, you need to hit about 450?C. I have tried colder plugs, they took a long time to get up to temp. On my fuel injected motor, cold drivawy was noticably worse when I dropeed to a colder plug.

When I had a carb motor I used to run 12? of timing, that seemed to work reasonably well. In general, the 2.6 is tolerant of extra timing. Tolerant to the point that I would bump the compression ratio 1/2 a point and still run regular. The hemi head does not have good turbulence and as a result, somewhat slow combustion. That tends to make it tolerant of extra timing.

One tuning trick that may help is to use the dist advance springs from a turbo engine. The primary spring is a bit lighter and allows the timing to come in a bit faster. That can get you better throttle response but keeps your total timing at higher RPMs the same.

I realize every setup is differant... That's what Ive found on my engines.


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Kevin C] #1042506 02/24/12 09:22 PM
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My current spark plugs have a heat range 3 settings cooler than the factory-recommended plug - which allows the timing to be advanced a bit over stock. The plugs also got a "fluff-n-buff" job with a bench grinder buffing wheel before installation, to remove the sharp edges on the ground electrode. Sharp edges tend to encourage detonation, so "smooth" is good.




Detonation is from when you have two flame fronts that collide. Since the initial flame front starts at the spark plug, and you cant burn fuel twice the plug is not a factor in detonation.

The only way it could have an effect is if you had pre ignition that caused detonation ( not a common occurrence). Since you dont have any large holes in your pistons, I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened.

As far as plug heat ranges go, I'm running NGK BPR6EY's on a 2.6 running 14 PSI of boost with about an 8.3 to 1 CR and I have never had a pre ignition problem. I did test 7's and 8's, but eventually went back to the 6's. The 8's were just too cold. The 7's worked OK.

A rule of thumb is 10? of extra timing = one heat range colder. Each heat range change drops the plug temp about 100?C. Optimal temp is around 800?C. Assuming that the stock plugs are nominally at 800?C, three ranges gets you 500?C.

To get a plug to self clean, you need to hit about 450?C. I have tried colder plugs, they took a long time to get up to temp. On my fuel injected motor, cold drivawy was noticably worse when I dropeed to a colder plug.

When I had a carb motor I used to run 12? of timing, that seemed to work reasonably well. In general, the 2.6 is tolerant of extra timing. Tolerant to the point that I would bump the compression ratio 1/2 a point and still run regular. The hemi head does not have good turbulence and as a result, somewhat slow combustion. That tends to make it tolerant of extra timing.

One tuning trick that may help is to use the dist advance springs from a turbo engine. The primary spring is a bit lighter and allows the timing to come in a bit faster. That can get you better throttle response but keeps your total timing at higher RPMs the same.

I realize every setup is differant... That's what Ive found on my engines.


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Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: boostin] #1042507 02/25/12 01:25 AM
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pretty surprised you guys stick with basically stock timing, there is a little more low end to gain with 10 12 with no detonation I find!


You guys probably have better fuel than our government regulated crap. I might bump it Saturday and run some Premium.

Re: 2.6 ignition timing... what are you running? [Re: Mudraider] #1042508 02/25/12 04:03 AM
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boostin Offline OP
Mudrunner
nah i dont think our gas is to great, just seems to like 12 degrees... i wonder if there would be much to benifit from 14 degrees


1989 Mighty Max 4WD 2.6 Turbo,Auto EFI...megasquirt! 4.62 Rear LSD!
1989 Mighty Max 2WD 2.6 5 speed slammed
1993 Eagle Talon TSI
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