Extreme Terrain
4x4Wire Trail Talk Forums: Jeep, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pajero, Isuzu, Kia, 4WD, 4x4, SUV, Off-Road and OutdoorWire Forums


Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! #1050122 08/20/12 02:49 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 12
jagerMR Offline OP
Need a Spot
Hi everybody!
Had a "supposed" head gasket leak that thankfully turned out to be a oil cooler line leaking, BUT just didi a oil change last week and had a pretty stong petro smell in it. When i tore into it this weekend, I noticed the intake was covered in dirty oil, also stinking like fuel.

My thoughts were excessive crankcase pressure/pcv blow by,but the pcv is clear and working ok. Shy of the bit of oil and grim in it. Timing is on, so the valves are doing. Comperssion is 1-180, 2-175/180, 3-165, 4-175/180psi.

Heres some pics of the issue. I dont know what to think.

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Plugs 1 & 2
[Linked Image]
Plugs 3 & 4
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Pic of the kias' current status, thanks again everet for the help with the lift!!!
[Linked Image]
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: jagerMR] #1050123 08/20/12 05:04 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 326
Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
Just a shot in the dark... Incomplete combustion of the fuel will allow fuel to wash past the piston rings into the oil. Gasoline is an excellent solvent and will dilute the engine oil below the rings quite effectively. If the engine is running relatively-well, then you might not be getting a full burn of the fuel, which could be caused by poor ignition or a bad O2 sensor... Just a thought.

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: Peabody] #1050124 08/20/12 05:13 AM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,224
Everet Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Mine smells like gas too. I'm getting about 22 mpg's. Would like to advance the timing, will try and trick out the crank sensor somehow.
Plugs don't look like you're burning rich...
On another note...Wheels and tires
look great!!!
Everet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


WWW.UPYOURKIA.COM White 96,4x4, man.hubs,K&N filter,3row rad, twin 16" fans, 3" body lift, 4" UPYOURKIA LIFT KIT,265/75 16 TreadWrights on DC2 wheels,140 amp alt. dual batts.
Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: Everet] #1050125 08/21/12 05:02 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 326
Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
I was thinking about this again today. And I was wondering if a leak in the air intake - between the MAF and the throttle body - would cause the engine to run rich enough to blow fuel past the rings. I had several splits in the corrugated intake hose that kicked P0171 codes (system bank too lean). Perhaps that would cause the ECM to compensate the "lean" air with too much fuel? Just another shot in the dark...


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: Peabody] #1050126 08/21/12 07:03 AM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 15,887
kewlynx Offline
Toyota & Classifieds Moderator
*****
Just to toss a question out there for you guys:

First thing in the day, does your rig take some time to turn over and fire up? If so, then there's a real possibility you're losing your fuel pressure in the manifold. Leaking fuel injectors can do this for you. Might want to troubleshoot that direction.

Peabody, in your case, fix that hose and see what it does for you before tearing into it some more. Ya might be working this out in layers.

Fuel getting into your oil and diluting it is called 'washdown'. It ain't purty in the end. Carbed rigs' symptoms for startup are identical; culprit is the float needle lets the fuel out of the bowl.

Who can refurb injectors for you? These guys:

www.witchhunter.com out of WA

www.rceng.com out of Kali

The old Toyota crowd has used both businesses with good results and fast service.


http://www.walkablecommunities.org/

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

**ubi apis- ibi salus**
Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: kewlynx] #1050127 08/22/12 04:52 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 326
Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
A leaky injector makes perfect sense. Just to clear things up, I'm not having a problem with fuel in the oil. I was just tossing some thoughts on the table... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

I was able to find a good solution for the air intake hose. I used 2 silicone elbows and a reducer to replace the factory rubber. But that's getting off-topic. So I'll discuss that in detail in another thread. My thought was that defective components that influence the ECU's estimation of fuel-air ratio could possibly cause the engine to run rich enough to let unburned fuel slip by the piston rings. But I think a drippy injector would likely be a more plausible cause. I'm curious to hear what the root-cause turns out to be.


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Getting fuel in the oil sump - any help/thoughts appreciated! [Re: Peabody] #1050128 08/22/12 08:30 AM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 15,887
kewlynx Offline
Toyota & Classifieds Moderator
*****
Quote
My thought was that defective components that influence the ECU's estimation of fuel-air ratio could possibly cause the engine to run rich enough to let unburned fuel slip by the piston rings.


Yeah, the MAF can freak out and throw things off; I was getting some misfire codes; turned out my EGR was carboned up; not uncommon on a 2.7L Yota. If your dipstick smells like fuel later on, change your oil/filter, do some driving, and see how it smells after that, since you've fixed your air leak.


http://www.walkablecommunities.org/

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

**ubi apis- ibi salus**

Moderated by  4x4Wire, Axe Man, DamKia 







4x4Wire Social:

| 4x4Wire on FaceBook |


OutdoorWire, 4x4Wire, JeepWire, TrailTalk, MUIRNet-News, and 4x4Voice are all trademarks and publications of OutdoorWire, Inc. and MUIRNet Consulting.
Copyright (c) 1999-2019 OutdoorWire, Inc and MUIRNet Consulting - All Rights Reserved, no part of this publication may be reproduced in any form without express written permission
You may link freely to this site, but no further use is allowed without the express written permission of the owner of this material.
All corporate trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.4.33 Page Time: 0.005s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.6257 MB (Peak: 0.7195 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-05-25 13:52:00 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS