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Sportage radiator #1052025 09/28/12 05:31 AM
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bingocouple Offline OP
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I seem to have a leak either in my radiator or somewhere else in the system, I cant seem to find it. Any suggestions? It is a slow leak, I have to refill the radiator about once a week. And I have a rust problem in it also. I have flushed the radiator a couple of times to where nothing but clear water comes out but it always rusts up again. How would I keep the rust from coming back?

Re: Sportage radiator [Re: bingocouple] #1052026 09/28/12 07:51 PM
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HarleyJohn Offline
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I just replaced the radiator in my '98 (it was doing the same thing, including the corrosion inside the radiator) with a clearance unit from rockauto.com for $52.

Because it wasn't cooling efficiently, it was pushing coolant into the overflow tank, which was leaking. Thus I was having to add coolant every few days. Replacing the radiator fixed the cooling/coolant loss issues. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Last edited by HarleyJohn; 09/28/12 07:53 PM.
Re: Sportage radiator [Re: bingocouple] #1052027 10/01/12 11:40 AM
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Sportege_Panicmech Offline
Mudrunner
It takes a long time to get a neglected system un rusted. I believe there's radiator flush detergent products at parts stores that help to clean out the radiator but you'll need to thoroughly clean that stuff out or it would eat your seals, hoses, etc. Heavy amounts of rust indicates your original coolant's rust/corrosion inhibitors have work out and thus your coolant was rusting the inside of everyting steel in the cooling system. water pump, wp bearings, and FREEZE plugs come to mind.. the freeze plugs were likely rusting too. check both sides of your engine block for green/pink coolant deposits or moisture coming from the freeze plugs. I hate mentioning it but also the possibility of your engine consuming coolant is possible by means of an internal headgasket leak. the coolant can leak from the coolant ports into the combustionn chamber and just be burned out the tailpipe. If this is happening you aught to see good amounts of white smoke on a regular basis. Ignore white puffs of smoke upon startup though cause that can be just the water/condensation that builds up in the exhaust. if it burns white smoke after 20 minutes then maybe thats it. Doubt it though. confirmation of burning coolant though is to check the spark plugs for heavy white soot.

oh btw, even a proper functioning radiator will purge coolant into the overflow tank once it's at operating temperatures. That is their design. The cooling system, once cooled off, sucks the coolant back into the system from the overflow tank. The exception to this is when a cooling system leaks and therefore cannot build pressure (when hot) and vacuum (when cold). Then the process of transferring coolant cannot take place via the overflow tank.

Re: Sportage radiator [Re: Sportege_Panicmech] #1052028 10/01/12 03:27 PM
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Lou Offline
Mudrunner
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... internal headgasket leak. the coolant can leak from the coolant ports into the combustionn chamber and just be burned out the tailpipe. If this is happening you aught to see good amounts of white smoke on a regular basis. Ignore white puffs of smoke upon startup though cause that can be just the water/condensation that builds up in the exhaust. if it burns white smoke after 20 minutes then maybe thats it. Doubt it though. confirmation of burning coolant though is to check the spark plugs for heavy white soot.


It is something on the verge of a fairy tale to think that white smoke would necessarily signal a coolant leak to the cylinders. NOrmal combustion products will yield 1.3 gallon of water (exiting as vapour ) for each gallon of fuel burned and this water condenses in the exhaust system and drips down until the pipe is hot enough to carry the vapour as such to the tail of the exhaust system.
fuel + air
C7H16 + 11O2 + 44 N2 = 7CO2 + 8H2O + 44 N2
by molecular weight:
100 + 352 + 44 N2= 308 + 144 + 44 N2 (452 + 44 N2 on bothsides, nothing gained, nothing lost)
thus 1.00 pound of fuel C7H16 requires 3.52 pound of O2 (or 15.179 pound of air, the rest being Nitrogen carried through almost unchanged) and yields roughly 3 pounds of CO2 and 1.4 pound of water as combustion by products.

at 60 mph, when your car burns 3 gallons of fuel per hour, you have like 4 gallons of water per hour coming out as vapour....that is a lot of vapour...so even emptying the entire cooling system in one hour would not generate as much "white smoke" as what already goes out normally....invisibly.

The only case where this near urban legend holds true is when the leak occurs at rest and water accumulates in cylinder or exhaust manifold and on a sudden, at start-up, all of it suddenly evaporates and would procure a heavy white cloud, really out of the ordinary, and this, for a
limited time. But a slow leak that occurs only when engine runs is not detectable at the exhaust.
WHite smoke seen on a continuous basis is rather from oil....pumped from the oil pan through damaged piston rings.

But.....I will admit that chemistry is "fail" if I can see it with my own eyes...


BUT...BUt...BUt....to be fully honest and consequent....I must however add a detail. The above discussion is considering the cooling liquid is water. However, ethylene-glycol used as coolant has a boiling point of nearly 400?F....hence a good chance of NOT vaporising in the exhaust....it then could probably be visible as a fume.....and this does not contradict chemistry....

Last edited by Lou; 10/01/12 09:07 PM.
Re: Sportage radiator [Re: Lou] #1052029 10/06/12 09:09 AM
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Sportege_Panicmech Offline
Mudrunner
hmm.. scratching chin.. If I had to guess I'd say with knowledge like yours you must not be mowing lawns for a living! lol. I don't know chemistry but I work on cars. I've seen the white smoke before.. usually it's just condensation in the exhaust on a cold start but when their bad you can also smell it.. smells different.lol

Re: Sportage radiator [Re: Sportege_Panicmech] #1052030 10/06/12 05:18 PM
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Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
Though I haven't experienced it myself, I recall hearing that coolant entering the burn chamber can squeeze past the piston rings (small amounts of vapor), which can start to mix with the oil vapor in the crank case. This can be detected by inspecting the upper end of the dipstick for a tan, pasty residue/film that will form well-above the oil level (near to top of the dipstick, below the rubber seal). It might be useless trivia. But it's easy to check...


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Re: Sportage radiator [Re: Peabody] #1052031 10/08/12 12:09 PM
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Dryver Offline
Wheeler
That tan pasty residue (milkshake) can also be a result of excessive water vapor in your crankcase, which can be caused by a worn o-ring on the dipstick. When the engine cools after being run, it pulls cooler air containing moisture into the dipstick tube and crankcase and you get churn the next time you drive the car. I get this on my Volvo 850 and my wife's S40.


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Re: Sportage radiator [Re: Dryver] #1052032 10/12/12 01:27 AM
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bingocouple Offline OP
Wheeler
I replaced my radiator the other day and all seems well. Thanks guys for the input.


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