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'90 6G72 3.0 L compression #1061582 07/03/13 06:20 AM
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nvmonty Offline OP
Wheeler
My factory manual says the cylinder compression for this engine is only 119 psi. Is this correct? Seems rather low for a 8.9:1 compression ratio....


90 LWB RS: 3 L/mt, JBaker springs, bushings, swaybars. KYB shocks tweaked, 134k mi, original owner.
97 LWB SR: SOLD Sep. 2014 131,006 mi: running boards removed, BFG 31x10.5 AT/KO tires, Air locker, AirLifts, KYB shocks, Cibie fogs, 3rd owner.
Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: nvmonty] #1061583 07/03/13 07:42 AM
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perfect at sea level would be only 131pai. 119 is not that bad considering how inefficiently the engine breathes at cranking rpms and how poor the ring seal is at those speeds...


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Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: fasteddy] #1061584 07/03/13 08:12 PM
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nvmonty Offline OP
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My Factory Manual (page 11-55) says Service Specification compression pressure, in other words the 'perfect at sea level' pressure, for this engine (3.0 L 6G72) is 840 kPa, 119 psi. I also have a Haynes manual that says 119 psi at 250 rpm for the 3.0 L engine

Hence my question.

This seems too low. 130 psi sounds more reasonable. But, the manuals says 119 psi.

Are the manuals wrong? If so, what is the correct specification for the cylinder compression.


90 LWB RS: 3 L/mt, JBaker springs, bushings, swaybars. KYB shocks tweaked, 134k mi, original owner.
97 LWB SR: SOLD Sep. 2014 131,006 mi: running boards removed, BFG 31x10.5 AT/KO tires, Air locker, AirLifts, KYB shocks, Cibie fogs, 3rd owner.
Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: nvmonty] #1061585 07/04/13 06:41 AM
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fasteddy Offline
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Maybe I wasn't clear. If everything was perfect, the best you could get is 14.7psi atmo pressure at sea level x 8.9:1 compression ratio, which equals about 131psi. The piston rings have a gap, so air leaks past the rings. The slow rotation speed means there is a longer time for the leak to leak, so it's relatively bigger. Thus, at the low cranking speed of 250rpms, you won't see 131psi of compression. Replace the cast iron piston rings with the gap with rubber orings and you might see 130ish, but once the engine fires, it gets a little toasty for rubber orings. Volumetric efficiency is not great at cranking speeds, either, and the throttle may be partially closed, so the engine is pulling against less that 14.7psi in the manifold. There are places in the rpm range where the measured pressure would be above 131, because the ram effect built into the intake (the long runners) sets up a helmholtz resonance which has a pressure wave hitting the back of the intake valve just as it opensm and the measured intake mani pressure will be much higher, say 18psi.


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Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: fasteddy] #1061586 07/04/13 07:36 AM
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nvmonty Offline OP
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So, are all those issues why the shop manuals specify only 119 psi for the best expected expected cylinder pressure in a compression test at 250 rpm at sea level?

Presumably the specifications assume standard atmospheric pressure at sea level. 119 psi is 90.8 percent of the theoretical maximum (131 psi) an 8.9:1 compression ratio would provide at sea level.


90 LWB RS: 3 L/mt, JBaker springs, bushings, swaybars. KYB shocks tweaked, 134k mi, original owner.
97 LWB SR: SOLD Sep. 2014 131,006 mi: running boards removed, BFG 31x10.5 AT/KO tires, Air locker, AirLifts, KYB shocks, Cibie fogs, 3rd owner.
Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: nvmonty] #1061587 07/05/13 10:34 PM
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fasteddy Offline
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yes


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Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: fasteddy] #1061588 07/06/13 03:46 PM
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TainterRacing Offline
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My motor full rebuild was 121-119psi


1997 Montero LS with a motor swap a 1990 V6 12valve ported heads full 2.5in Ex I run stock tire size for Daily use, off road have 33x12.5 working on going trubo.
Re: '90 6G72 3.0 L compression [Re: fasteddy] #1061589 07/07/13 12:26 AM
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Lizzord30 Offline
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the throttle may be partially closed, so the engine is pulling against less that 14.7psi in the manifold.


Note you should test the Compression with the Throttle all the way down.


89 Monturbo (RIP now but the heart is in the 90!)
90 Montero with 2.6 turbo swap! (close to finished)
88 Starion MPI T3/T4 Magna M8 head.....
96 Volvo 850







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