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"Surfacing" tires
#1063561
09/01/13 04:39 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
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A commonly occurring problem on my Montero has been with tires developing cupping wear patterns over time, despite regularly being balanced and rotated. It has happened with the set of Dunlops I had, the Pro-Comps, and now the BFGs. The general consensus among knowledgeable tire people is that it's a consistent problem when running oversize tires with an IFS, and sometimes even with stock size tires (early Ford Explorers/Rangers). The first set of tires cupped even though my OME shocks were nearly new at the time, so it's not due to worn shocks. Worn steering/suspension components could be playing a part since it seems I've always got something or other that I've beat the life out of that needs to be replaced. Anyway, my BFGs have become progressively louder, especially at highway speeds, so I've been thinking about possible solutions to try to level off the uneven tread blocks. The photo somewhat shows how unevenly they have become worn, the darker blocks being the ones making less contact with the road than the lighter ones. I researched having the tires shaved like racing tires, but the few places that can do that would only shave a brand new tire or couldn't fit a 35" diameter tire on their equipment. Big rig tire shops wouldn't touch them either - embedded gravel in the tires can damage or break the cutting tools on tire "truing" equipment. So, I improvised. I set up the Montero securely on 4 jackstands, with the tires just off the ground. I started it up, shifted into locked 4 high, locked the rear diff and put it in drive. Using a 14" rasp, I braced one end on a brick on the ground and pressed the rasp against the spinning tread of the tire. The rasp worked far better than I hoped, taking rubber off fairly quickly. This is one tire after about 15 seconds of "truing". It turns out that my tires had their worst unevenness on the outer 1/3 of the tread blocks - it was very easy to tell by feel and by sound which areas needed the most attention. I spent about an hour all together, to reach a point where the rasp wasn't bouncing against the surface of the tires but riding smoothly (well, smooth for mud-terrain tires). I definitely shortened the life-expectancy of the tires a bit with the rubber that I removed. On driving it afterwards, it was noticeably quieter driving through my neighborhood at low speeds, and on surface streets at medium speeds, but highway noise levels didn't diminish nearly as much as I'd hoped for. I'm thinking that I may try having the tires dismounted and remounted on the wheels so the former inside edges can wear as the outside edges, just to try to create some new wear patterns.
95 Montero SR 3.8 MIVEC, Advance headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, OME shocks & rear springs, 2" body lift, 3" tank lift, 4.90s, TRE front locker, factory rear locker, Roger Brown Rock Sliderz, 315/75r16 (35") tires, Sport big brakes
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: ryany]
#1063562
09/01/13 05:18 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Once you've 'surfaced' all the tires, you might perform the chalk test to find the optimal air pressure for your tires and load? The tires on my wife's GMC have this issue from time to time, some solved by replacing the shock absorbers, some by adjusting the pressure.
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: ryany]
#1063563
09/01/13 07:15 PM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 391
Mudrunner
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Nice work! I'll have to remember that a rasp works nicely. I have found that rotating tires at every oil change keeps the uneven wear down to a minimum. That, and the occasional burnout. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
2001Sport 3.0-Headers-Cage-RoofChop-NP231/D300-D44/ARB-Ford9/Yukon/3Link-37's+H1's-PSC Assist-108:1
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: ryany]
#1063564
09/08/13 03:36 AM
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 918
Rock Warrior
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How are you rotating your tires? I rotate them like this and my bfgs wear evenly. Swapping sides changes the direction of rotation and improves the wear pattern. web page
99 Montero....15mpg! Sold (so sad) 02 Jetta TDI....48mpg! 03 2500 Ram QCLB Cummins....18mpg 02 2500 Yukon XL, We out grew the montero, at least it has one locker.....13mpg (sold) 01 montero limited
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: motero]
#1063565
09/08/13 04:26 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
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I don't rotate my spare, so the fronts get moved to the rear and the rears swap sides and move to the front.
95 Montero SR 3.8 MIVEC, Advance headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, OME shocks & rear springs, 2" body lift, 3" tank lift, 4.90s, TRE front locker, factory rear locker, Roger Brown Rock Sliderz, 315/75r16 (35") tires, Sport big brakes
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: motero]
#1063566
09/09/13 02:18 AM
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Joined: Oct 2006
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Mudrunner
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I rotated my KM1's alternately two ways; front to back/back to front, and an X pattern. Had great results for 30K+ miles, then I got lazy and they cupped right up. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
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2001Sport 3.0-Headers-Cage-RoofChop-NP231/D300-D44/ARB-Ford9/Yukon/3Link-37's+H1's-PSC Assist-108:1
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: dannytuned]
#1063567
09/09/13 02:28 PM
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Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,513
Body Damage is Cool
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Rotate in an x. seems to help. Plus adjust air pressure a bit. Might help.
1990 Black Monty LS Over 300K' 1993 Isuzu Rodeo LS 4x4 46k (yes only 46K!)1989 Honda Transalp 600 Africa twin,
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: sasnydley]
#1063568
09/11/13 04:48 PM
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Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 6,134
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Now that your tires have been "retrued" take them to a offroad shop that grooves tires. It's about $70 per tire, if you get them grooved they will quiet down and wear a little better. The theory is that the bigger blocks have to turn and drag part of itself through the turn more than a smaller block, plus better wet traction. Maybe start with the front 2 and see how it works?
1999 Montero SAS'd on Kings and stuff
1998 Montero trying to get a V8 Swapped
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Re: "Surfacing" tires
[Re: TOASTY]
#1063569
09/11/13 05:54 PM
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Do you know of any shops that do this?
95 Montero SR 3.8 MIVEC, Advance headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, OME shocks & rear springs, 2" body lift, 3" tank lift, 4.90s, TRE front locker, factory rear locker, Roger Brown Rock Sliderz, 315/75r16 (35") tires, Sport big brakes
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