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Wiring Tune Up. #1076678 02/07/15 08:45 AM
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Oso Offline OP
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So I've noticed a few posts lately refer to a wiring tune up. And I vaguely recall someone (maybe Haztoys) mentioning in a post other vehicles that use the same electrical plugs as my gen 1. And I believe there was also mention of an actual wiring tune up write up.

I've searched and cant seem to find the write up(s). Can anyone help me out?

My rig has a slight intermittent hesitation that has to be a bad connection somewhere. The dash is coming out for a heater coe swap soon and while i'm in there I'm soldering spliced connections. S long as I'm cleaning up the electrical I'd like to do the engine compartment as well.


90 LWB - Not your average bear

"You are what you are, and you ain't what you ain't." - John Prine
Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Oso] #1076679 02/07/15 01:51 PM
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Mongo and Dude, I read for a good hour yesterday and looked for the wiring tune up and found no thread on this sight, however Ive compiled this list, change your ignitor plug(napa has em for $15 bucks)change your fuse-able links, there in front of your battery and color coded, change all the fuses in the dash, change your TPS plug(i haven't found one of those yet)also some mentioned issues with the ignition cylinder itself, on the back of the cylinder is a white pigtail plug that gets corroded and causes issue sometimes,loose wire on the ecu, loose dirty battery terminals, hope that helps, Good luck MM


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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Oso] #1076680 02/07/15 11:34 PM
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Hi Mongo ...

Sorry so vague ...

The line for the need for 30 minute of the 24 hours the 'Lord Above' has given me in a day to give to "The Net" can be longer then it looks from 'SF Calif' to 'AZ Crew Mountain Division HQ.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />' .. So could you go to 'My' 4x4wire home and look at my posts history and do some digging on 'two' things in your Monty world your dealing with ...

Sigh ..

The line is always longer then people think ...

Sorry ...To leaves you hanging ... I'll get back here in 48 hours ..

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc

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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Oso] #1076681 02/08/15 03:46 AM
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Shhhhh, I have the laptop for a minute. I can help a bit. In mitsubishilinks there is a manual called Raider/fsm/1989/Powertrain Diagnostics located here and on page 25 with a listing of all the electrical connections. I have that FSM downloaded, but I have no idea how to make that one page show up here. That page has all the connectors that you can print out as a checklist and do the vinegar and distilled water cleaning

Thanks again to Bill for www.mitsubishilinkscom.

The only thing not covered was the cleaning of the ECM. Google and YouTube weren't a whole lot of help with that.

Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: haztoys] #1076682 02/08/15 10:48 AM
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Sigh ..

The line is always longer then people think ...

Sorry ...To leaves you hanging ... I'll get back here in 48 hours ..

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc


All good, Haz! With a name like Hazardous Toys, Inc. I expect the line to be long. That's why i want to get in the line early.! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> :

Thanks for the heads up on the way to search. Didnt think of that. Found exactly what i was looking for.

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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Mudraider] #1076683 02/08/15 10:52 AM
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MM & MR, thanks for the direction. We're on the same page. I'll get the Raider FSM and add it to the digital collection now that I have a need for it.


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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: METALMOVER] #1076684 02/08/15 03:11 PM
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Mongo and Dude, I read for a good hour yesterday and looked for the wiring tune up and found no thread on this sight, however Ive compiled this list, change your ignitor plug(napa has em for $15 bucks)change your fuse-able links, there in front of your battery and color coded, change all the fuses in the dash, change your TPS plug(i haven't found one of those yet)also some mentioned issues with the ignition cylinder itself, on the back of the cylinder is a white pigtail plug that gets corroded and causes issue sometimes,loose wire on the ecu, loose dirty battery terminals, hope that helps, Good luck MM


I'll do alittle info here ..MM hit a big chunk of it...But... A Mitsz should of got a 'viger bath' at its tenth birthday..We are way past that point here.. Punt on the V/B..It will not help ..Shocked on one has done the V/B up before me here..?

Dive in under the hood and unplug the underhood wire harnest and take it out of the vehicle ... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />.. Yes the whole harnest its harder to do with the harnest in the vehicle.. Get some zip ties and tie off each 'branch' of the hardness ..Take off the 'cover' snakeskin as we call it ..Mark were every wire goes into every plug ...Pull every wire from all the plugs ...Get a soldingiron a good 60wat iron a 100wat would be better ..A puussy 30wat will not do ..Get a good 'wiring flux' NOT plumbers flux...Dip the wire end in the flux get a small paint brush too.. Now heat the sh&^%t out of were the crimp meets the brass conctor and wire..As you paint on more flux ..Heat to the point the rubber on the wire is not happy.. BUT dont burn off the rubber..I did not say to use solder did I ..The heat and the flux will clean the crimp ..There is at times wires soldered hiding in the wiring you can see now ..Resolder them ...If you have a wire end crimp to wire looking 'about half died..Solder the crimp to the wire..I dont solder OEM wireing unless I have too..Your damned if you do and damned if dont. Nonsolder crimps died do to 'growing' like we have here ..Solder crimps can break a wire. (The last statement is yes and no ..I will get back here ..I'm not done with this 'Wiring Tune'..)

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc

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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Oso] #1076685 02/08/15 09:06 PM
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To me that sounds like an intermittent throttle position sensor. For the problem your describing, I would look at that first.

Personal experience is that if you are going to have a connection problem on a harness,check the interface between the male and female pins. Its possible to get what's called fretting corrosion where the connectors meet. The plating on the connectors surfaces is supposed to prevent it. If the plating is thin and or gets worn off, a microscopic layer of corrosion forms.

Unplugging and replugging in the connector wipes it way and you get a lower resistance connection. The down side is without the plating, that the corrosion reforms. The upside is you bought yourself a fair amount of time.

This is also why connectors have a cycle rating, you only get so many connect disconnect cycles before you take the plating off. If I remember right, 40 is a typical number.

This is one place where a dielectric grease may help since it will protect the metal.

As far as "fixing" inside the crimp, even if you managed to loosen the oxidation, where is it going to go so that its not in the compressed zone where the connection is made?
Also, electronics flux residue can cause wire damage if used improperly. What happens to the acid in the flux when it combines with moisture?

Its not commonly known that electronic rosin fluxes are acidic. Not muriatic acid like plumbing still acid, just a milder form (plicatic acid and abietic acid).

Improperly would be excessive application and a failure to bring all of the flux up to its activation temperature. Worse will be if the flux is bridging dissimilar metals and there is moisture present.

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No-clean rosin-based rework fluxes should not need any cleaning as long as the flux gets completely activated. Typically a flux gets activated with heat.

In a rework operation, the person could "pour" a lot of flux thinking that this helps soldering. Also, when using a solder tip and wire for soldering, flux surrounding the solder joint may not see enough heat and therefore may not activate completely.

This is a potential reliability concern as unactivated flux could cause dendritic growth and corrosion.


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In short... (pun intended) put an ohm meter across your TPS and sweep it a few times to look for intermittent spots. An old school analog meter is great for that test.

Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: Kevin C] #1076686 02/08/15 10:12 PM
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danz91crx Offline
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A list of things that wouldn't cause intermittent hesitation may be shorter then a list of things that could.
Mongo if you check the TPS I'd test the idle air control solenoid and take it out to clean carbon off it and clean the port its in.


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Re: Wiring Tune Up. [Re: danz91crx] #1076687 02/09/15 02:24 AM
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haztoys Offline
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Good post KevinC ...Good to have you back ..You where gone for some time ...Hows the garage going and did you get a job you 'liked'..?... My friend...

Your right flux of any sort kills wire ....And engineering theory is good and all ..But ...What do we do with 25 year old wiring harness.???. Cut the ends off...Thats not rational .. Baking and fluxing a 'old' wiring does clean the crimp .. Does it give off a acidic flux to it ...Your right ... But once more ..'What do you do to fix a 25 year old wiring'..When Mother Mitzu made the wiring and crimp they dicked it up from the start ...We are dealing with a vehicle that is past its "Intended lifespan" some ten years ago... Here on the Wire to help 'Joe home guy' .. As I said in my last post .."You cant win" ... This 'round' you will drive your Monty another ten years before the next round ..The next round of keeping a old Mitsz wiring alive is to solder all wiring ..And solding will give me another ten years ... At that point its cut all wire crimps off ..We get another ten years for the OEM wiring harness .. You cant win ..As I said ...

We are at 60 year old car ...I'm died kids..

You can replace all wire ends ..I have the parts to do it ...But......

And

You 'cant' buy a new TPS plug ..As far as "I" know .."I" cant find one.. But there used on much later years too ..Easy to find ..

Dizzy plug on a '90' bites the big one too look there..(Dizzy plug is not the same as 89..89 V6 is its own animal..)

Great input guy keep it coming ...All good points ...


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