i'm going to the cinders this weekend. we're all driving the grocery gettin', soccer mom jeeps but they'll get around up there fine. basically just gonna get out of the heat and camp for the weekend. if anyone wants to stop and say hi, i'll be driving a black '96 xj stock with 2000 sahara canyon rims and stock goodyear wranglers. my son will probably be ripping around in a red yerf dog off road go cart. there will also be a bluish grey grand cherokee, and a couple other suv's. i plan to camp up past the main campground but won't know exactly where until i get there. i'll have my 31' tan pinnacle motorhome and i should have the full enclosure up on the awning. you can't miss it. if anyone wants to caravan out of PHX, i'll be leaving Fri. afternoon and another group leaving around 7:30 PM. if you find me up there, my name is jim, come and introduce yourself. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />