I have decided to go to one set of tires instead of two. Lugging Boggers around is a pain in the but. I was wheelin in the mud this weekend and my BFG's sucked.

I am going to buy some 36 X12.50 Super swampers. I want to know your opinions on the differences of the specifics dealing with this size. I am leaning towards the regular TSL but am considering the SX also. I was considering MTR's but after this weekend I know they won't cut it.

Specs on each of the tires

Type: SX / TSL
Weight: 78 / 65
plies: 6 / 8
height: 35.9 / 36.3
tread weight: 10.3 / 10.5
cross section: 13.3 / 13.5
tread depth: 22/32 / 24/32

expected terrain - Paragon, Rausch Creek, Tellico and anything I find on the east coast.

I'd go with the normal TSLs because they weigh less, cost less, and the outer lugs are more aggressive. Because the SXs have steel belts (this is where the extra weight comes from) they will ride better on the road from what I hear.

I've had both and liked the SXs MUCH better! The tsl were never able to be balanced, and were horrible on the road( like my old boggers). The SXs were our daily driver tires for 9 months and worked awesome. Really like the side lugs for rocks and mud. Had about 20-25k on them when i sold them. Doing light duty on a jeep now! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Not sure what you mean Harry about the TSL side lugs being bigger... Mine were not for sure! Would do the SX in a heartbeat. But I still like my MTRs! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They are much lighter and work much better on the road. Feels like much more power and the radials are very smooth up to 75mph...

Not really. Because of the steel belts the SXs are the closest thing to indestructible you can get out of a light truck tire. I love em for that.

If it's a DD, however, I have to disagree with Bud. Swampers (any bias one - bogger, tsl, sx) are hit and miss. Sometimes you get a round set, sometimes you dont. My 36" TSLs were great on the road, and absolutely rock in the mud.

However, as soon as you mentioned Paragon and Tellico, I think I'll recommend the SX too... simply because they're incredibly hard to cut open. TSLs are better in mud, but IMO the SX is the best tire for wheeling ou east. It works pretty damn good *EVERYWHERE*

The TSL is a better mud tire hands down, but I'd rather have the SXs sidewalls at tellico.

So the steel belts don't make for a better ride and less bias "squirm" on the road? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Just to clarify I've never run either of these tires and don't plan on it either. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/bird.gif" alt="" /> Just going by what I have seen on the trail and heard from others.

In regards to this, does the 8 ply rating of the 36X12.50 TSL's equal the sidewall strength of the SX?

As far as them being round. My boggers actually rode quite well on the street and back in the early 90's I had a set of 36" TSL's that rode well from what I remember.

I have SXs and they ride fine

The steel belts in the SX tires are to help with the tread squirm (they did hug the corners very good) with the bias ply construction and also for puncture resistance (although I did have one on-road puncture with a piece of metal, never had a problem off-road). Mine (33x15.50 SX) were bad on the road, 2 were 3/8" out of round the other two about 1/4". Had them remounted, then shaved on the truck, all was fairly good until I swapped axles in back (and lost the registration marks), went back to a bit out of round. Also lost about 1 gear on the road, hills I could do in 4th gear with radials needed 3rd gear with the Swampers and I also lost about 20% gas mileage with the bias ply, again this was w/ 15.50 wide tires on 10" rims.

Roger I have heard that the 15.5" wide SXs (33s and 35s) are noticably worse on the road than the narrower 12" wide tires. Maybe you can do some testing with some of these and report back to us. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />

I'm sure that narrower is likely better, although its still hit or miss on the round part. Interco has notoriosly old and inaccurate tire molding machines, according to the tire guy that mounted mine. If getting a set, have them mounted at the place you bought them at and watch them get mounted and balanced. If any out of roundness is seen or more than a few ounces (like 6-8 oz.) of weight is needed to balance them, reject the tire and have them mount up another one.