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Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313709 09/10/03 06:38 PM

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Here's the installation for the Fuel Atomizer!!!

[color:"blue"] HaveBlue Fuel Atomizer Installation [/color]

Thank you thief! I wanted to link that but I don't have access to YotaTech here at work. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313710 09/11/03 03:26 AM

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I've installed mine, and I experienced the similar results. At first right after changiny my tires to 285's I was getting 14-15 mpg, and with a few slight adjustments I've been averaging 17-18mpg, and I'm hoping to reach the 20+ mark soon. It's a slow process of tuning it, but it's going to pay off in the long run thanks to Alans work on this.

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Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313711 09/11/03 04:00 AM

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This is crazy, this thing really works? I have always been a non-believer in "fuel-saving" gizmos. I am going to have to look at this. So it suplements your regular gas intake by blowing in gas vapor through the PCV? No leaning out issues? Hmmm, well worth $140 if it really increases gas mileage that much. Off to do some research.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313712 09/11/03 04:28 AM

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Yep, I have a supercharger, headers, TRD cat-back, Supra injectors, Apex'i S-AFC, and a few other things. I'm running 265/75/16 BFG A/Ts.

Just an observation, I may be completely off base here...but if this fuel atomizer works so well, why larger injectors with the supercharger. From the website,

"The liquid gas passing through the present fuel system is decreased to compensate for the added vapor gas. On fuel injected vehicles the oxygen sensor senses the extra vapor and signals the computer to shut down the liquid gas passing through the injector(s)."

You would think that if less fuel is needed to pass through the injectors, you would gain enough extra fuel to compensate for having stock injectors. So why the larger injectors? If you get 15mpg before and then 20mpg after, thats a 33% increase. You'd think it would be like have 33% bigger injectors. You see where I'm coming from..... Just a thought, straighten me out if needed.

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Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313714 09/11/03 07:58 AM

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You would think that I! f less fuel is needed to pass through the injectors; you would gain enough extra fuel to compensate for having stock injectors. So why the larger injectors? If you get 15mpg before and then 20mpg after, thatÆs a 33% increase. You'd think it would be like have 33% bigger injectors. You see where I'm coming from..... Just a thought, straighten me out if needed.

EFI systems don't work that way... The ECU is programmed to utilize the system as designed ...When you add larger injectors or raise the fuel pressure, and you don't tell the ECU the injectors are of a certain spec via reprogramming or fooling the ECU with an air/fuel tuning module... the ECU will compensate for the larger injector by cutting back the fuel delivery if it falls within the correction capabilities of the ECU... The ECU can compensate up to +/- 15% or more! Then you start getting into trouble... Unless the engine is running very lean... then larger injector can help bring the system back to within that 15% ratioà So just slapping in larger injectors into a stock system with the idea of larger means more, is just a waste of money, if you donÆt do the tuning module or reprogram the EPROM along with ità IÆve even put resistors in series or parallel in the coolant temp circuit, AFM and even air temp circuit to fool the ECUà anyway thereÆs more to it than one can imagine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

The fuel atomizer on the other hand is doing something totally different... basically your getting a better mix of fuel and air which results in a more complete combustion and better fuel economy... Fuel injectors donÆt have enough time to atomize the fuel to that extent... by passing fuel in vapor form into the plenum camber your giving the fuel more time to mix with incoming air... But! the ECU will cut back the injector on time to compensate for the fuel vapor the atomizer pumps in via the PVC hose.

car designers where doing something similar with the throttle body injection..., which was, known for its fuel economy.

Best of luck... I'm always interested in innovative ideas, so to those who install one of these systems... I would be interested if thereÆs a trade off for performance on a normally aspirated engine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Apologies if I offend by answering for HaveBlue, but I believe the larger injectors were added along with or to complement the supercharger. Check out this site and look for the Tacoma&4Runner fuel system kit. Great explanation for larger injectors.http://www.maxxautoworks.com/

Again didn't mean to step on toes <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> Click Here

Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313715 09/11/03 08:36 AM

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No offense....my point is that the whole reason for larger injectors is to get the A/F mixture right. The atomizer is causing a richer fuel mix with the same amount of fuel by burning more efficiently, right? If the atomizer is in essence riching the fuel mix and causing the injectors to work less(as stated on the website), it seems logical to think that the stock injectors would be under less load. If they are under less load...I was just curious if larger injectors are needed or needed less. Does anyone see what I'm saying.. I read your explanation, but I still don't see what's wrong with that reasoning.

Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313716 09/11/03 08:43 AM

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goldentaco,
I just read your above post again.... I think I kinda get what you are saying. I have a fuel timing calibrator and injectors will be here soon is why I am inquiring so intently. Correct me if I'm wrong <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> ....but under heavier loads and higher rpms, the atomizer doesn't have enough time to atomize enough fuel to negate the need for larger injectors (in a nutshell), correct?

Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313717 09/11/03 08:59 AM

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I see what your gettin at. The link I posted can explain it better but the jist of it is, because of the supercharger you get increased combustion pressure and greater chance of knocking. The larger injectors are there to squirt more fuel while the computer is trying to lean out the mix. The fuel pressure lags the boost which is instantaneous. More fuel is added to compensate. All tech aside, I was trying to guess that HaveBlue's atomizer was added after the charger and injectors. The atomizer appears to do nothing but HELP the situation. Check the link try me I think it explains it better. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Fuel Atomizer Installed And Happy #313718 09/11/03 09:11 AM

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The atomizer is causing a richer fuel mix with the same amount of fuel by burning more efficiently, right?

Sorry just saw this. The atomizer simply supplies a supply of pre-vaporized fuel, if you will, so that when the injectors allow the fuel into the cylinders the ecu senses the extra vaopr and decreases the fuel flow. Were talkin microseconds here. Also the injectors are kinda a misnomer. They don't really squirt the liquid fuel into the cylinders. They are to put it simply (not implying anything) a valve. It is the fuel pressure behind the injectors supplied by the fuel pump and regulated by the pressure regulator which forces the fuel into the cyls. The injectors try to ATOMIZE as much of the spray as they can, only about 30% by the ATOMIZER's inventor claims. The ATOMIZER just augments how much fuel is turned into a vapor. It is the fuel vapor that burns. Liquid gasoline will not burn, you could put a match out in it if you could get it past the vapors.

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