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ATF----WHICH ONE IS IT?? #383885 01/20/04 05:45 PM
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 179
Steve Nichols Offline OP
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I'm getting there slowly, rear diff oil done, T/case oil done, Front diff oil next week or two then engine oil/filter, then...........autobox fluid arh.....hmmmmmmmmm.....help

The Shogun (93 3.0V6 SOHC) is the first Autobox I've ever owned so I have never had the need to find out about them.

So I have searched and read here (and elsewhere) but still have questions.

1/ Fluid:- some recommend Dexron II, others Dexron III and one Dexron 4 so which is it??

2/ Is Dexron a trade name or a specification??
I can find plenty of fluids that meet or exceed dexron.... which suggests a spec but what is it really, I don't want to look a bigger fool when I ask for the stuff than nessessary)

I'll worry about 'how-to' later folks

O before you ask, I have three kids and work looooooong hours so have to fit the jobs in as & when.

SteveN


Shogun (Pajero/Montero) 3.0L V6 12valve LWB Auto 1993
142k miles.
Dual Bouncy Seats
Totally stock
c/w Diff lock
now sold
Re: ATF----WHICH ONE IS IT?? [Re: Steve Nichols] #383886 01/21/04 12:49 AM
Anonymous
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Types: Dexron is a formulation for a particular type of lubricant (transmission fluid). Type F, Type T, ATF and Mercon are other formulations. They are chosen by the manufacturer based on the mechanical system in question and what the lubricant must be able to withstand and continue to perform. Apparently, at least one newer fomula meets two older formula specs: you can find Dexron/Mercon fluid.

Numbers: However, as the specification becomes more stringent or higher in grade, the numbers change. We are now up to Dexron IIIE. Do NOT substitute a lower number Dexron or Dexron/Mercon formula, when a higher one is called for. Don't stick Dexron/Mercon rated as equivalent to Dexron II in a gearcase calling for Dexron IIIE. Your lubricant may not be able to take it, break down, and cause you mechanical problems. You CAN use Dexron III in place of Dexron II, though...

Manufacturers: If you go to the right shop, you can find a manufacturer (say, Quaker State or Mobil) that makes some or all of these types of fluids: Dexron, Type F, Type T, DOT 3, ATF, SAE 30, 5W-50 and 10W-30.

From the accuratetrans web site:

"Ford, GM, and Chrysler each have different specifications for fluid formulations. Generally the differences between fluids is mostly in the type and amount of friction modifiers used in each formula.

General Motors Dexron« III is the most current specification. Formulated for higher oxidation resistance and friction stability, Dexron« III supersedes Dexron« II and Dexron« and can be used in any GM transmission."

Finally, keep in mind that these fluids can serve more than one purpose. My Montero uses Dexron in my power steering system, and it uses DOT 3 (usually a brake fluid) for both brakes and clutch. I once destroyed the lines in a brake system by putting transmission fluid in the master cylinder (it was dark, and it was too late, when I realized what happened). THAT is why it is important to put the right fluid in. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: ATF----WHICH ONE IS IT?? [Re: Steve Nichols] #383887 01/21/04 01:39 AM
Anonymous
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Steve,

Here in the states, Mitsu has a proprietary blend under the brand name "Diamond Star" they would like used in all their autoboxes (primarily because it puts profit back into their shops). For all I know, it's just repackaged ATF+4...but I can't hang my hat on that one.

I would recommend you contact Mitsu UK and get product info from them...primarily because SAE specs and ACEA (EU sanctioning body for lubricants) can differ.

Cheers,

Rob in Hell (ex. Gaydon resident)








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