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Re: rear disc conversion [Re: Red_Chili] #671800 12/02/05 01:28 AM
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OK, I will speak for just myself. THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY, BASED ON OBSERVATION. YMMV.

Almost everything Sky sells was invented elsewhere with much care, then shamelessly copied (at somewhat lesser quality to undercut price, sometimes it matters, sometimes it does not). I choose not to support such a thing.

Price is not everything. And this is coming from a major cheapskate.

Ahh.. i never knew that..SKY is not on my list of vendors to order parts from... i just found they had disc brackets that no one else had... (didn't check FROR, but i guessed they were only for FF)...


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Re: rear disc conversion [Re: DirtyHarry] #671801 12/02/05 02:31 AM
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Almost everything Sky sells was invented elsewhere with much care, then shamelessly copied (at somewhat lesser quality to undercut price, sometimes it matters, sometimes it does not). I choose not to support such a thing.


Exactly. I have friends in this industry who are very talented and work hard designing new parts because they LOVE what they do. Then someone comes along and copies the design and makes it out of cheaper material and undercuts the price. Budbuilt's website puts it best: "We are striving to produce parts that fill a need in the Toyota community without just copying others products. Life is too short to make the same parts that others do! There is lots more that needs to be produced, including some small, helpful parts that make things work better. "


X-2, I also feel the same way that other vendors undercut prices on Dual-Case adapters. Then the people who buy them and have a problem, who do they call, Marlin or Inchworm!!!!!!!


David Fritzsche
1990 Ex-Cab V-6,5-speed, with a few mods
04.5 CTD Dodge 2500 Ram--Tow Rig
Roseville, CA

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Re: rear disc conversion [Re: OOP'S] #671802 12/02/05 02:56 AM
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hdrisc Offline OP
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I'm still gathering parts for my buildup. I got the rotors (1990 Chevy 1500 4WD non-ext. cab) for the rear of the truck today. I still need everthing else. I'll take a look at more websites and decide where I might purchase the brackets.

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Re: rear disc conversion [Re: hdrisc] #671803 12/02/05 06:43 AM
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I've read that mounting rotors on the flanges of these axles often results in a situation where you get an awful lot of runout (they don't turn true and are wobbly-like) which is said to push the brake pads apart, which then requires moving more fluid to get them to clamp down on the rotor when you need to stop, which gives you a lot of pedal travel. Anybody with experience care to address this? -- Matt


'89 4runner SR5, 3.0, auto (fun)
'93 xtra cab, dlx,3.0, 5spd (work truck)
Re: rear disc conversion [Re: matts] #671804 12/02/05 07:27 AM
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I've read that mounting rotors on the flanges of these axles often results in a situation where you get an awful lot of runout (they don't turn true and are wobbly-like) which is said to push the brake pads apart, which then requires moving more fluid to get them to clamp down on the rotor when you need to stop, which gives you a lot of pedal travel. Anybody with experience care to address this? -- Matt


Poly Performance axles have a thicker flange. After wheeling for seven years my rears wobbled like crazy. It was funny if they got in-sync, rear end wobbled like a happy puppy!!!!!!


David Fritzsche
1990 Ex-Cab V-6,5-speed, with a few mods
04.5 CTD Dodge 2500 Ram--Tow Rig
Roseville, CA

"Serenity through Sobriety"
Re: rear disc conversion [Re: matts] #671805 12/02/05 03:59 PM
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This is discussed on All-Pro's site:
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FJ-80 Master Cylinder
The stock Pickup and 4Runner master cylinder on 1979 - 1995 rigs are designed for discs brakes up front and drums in the rear. It does not have a residual valve for use with rear disc brakes. Without a rear residual valve in the system the rear disc pads expand after braking. This causes excess peddle travel the next time you step on the brakes. To solve this we sell a FJ80 brake master cylinder that is equipped with two residual valves, one for the front system and one for the rear. It's 1" bore size is larger than older 13/16" bore cylinders for more fluid volume.

Aside from the misspelling of "pedal" (and the fact that the pads don't 'expand', they move away from the wobbly rotor as it pushes them away), there is some disagreement on their assertion that minitruck MCs cannot control rear disks due to runout. It is possible that with a non-FF axle, runout can get pretty severe; I know Brian Ellinger's kit with dual tapered roller bearings is much less likely to have this issue. Brian disputes the residual valve assertion above - and I know lots of folks run minitruck MCs with few issues.

However, since the FJ80 MC also has a 1" bore, and we run large tires, and typically IFS calipers on the front, and front calipers on the rear (lots of fluid volume in other words), there are lots more reasons to use a 1" bore MC. It works really really well when properly matched to a vacuum booster from a V6 minitruck, or I hear a Tundra or such.

FWIW, I am running a 1" no-name ( <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> ) MC for a Tacoma I believe, and it controls the rear disks ('85 4x4 front calipers, woo hoo!) just fine. But I am also running Brian's FF kit.

'SUDDEN' would be a good word to describe how the brakes work. As 'SUDDEN' as you wanna be, with the prop valve set as you wish. Towing, etc. is no problem.


-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
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Re: rear disc conversion [Re: Red_Chili] #671806 12/03/05 04:21 PM
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hdrisc Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I have located all the parts for the conversion, execpt the brackets. I will check runout, but I don't think there will be a problem. I'm using a MC from a 1990 4Runner (1" bore).

Isn't it the little things that make any type of conversion fun/interesting to do? If you could just buy something and have it work/fit the first time you bolt it on your truck, that would be kinda boring. Just my opinion.

Re: rear disc conversion [Re: Red_Chili] #671807 12/04/05 07:31 AM
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... I know Brian Ellinger's kit with dual tapered roller bearings is much less likely to have this issue.


Is Brian associated with Front Range Off Road Fabrication? I am somewhat familiar with their full floating rear kit. I'd like to know if there is another. -- Matt


'89 4runner SR5, 3.0, auto (fun)
'93 xtra cab, dlx,3.0, 5spd (work truck)
Re: rear disc conversion [Re: hdrisc] #671808 12/04/05 01:46 PM
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I gotbrackets and for the record
I have my own design and have had it for years
but I am not a vender, nor do I have a business
Few guys have bought from me on here
and a bunch on pirate
gotbrackets@fuse.net

Re: rear disc conversion [Re: matts] #671809 12/05/05 07:57 PM
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... I know Brian Ellinger's kit with dual tapered roller bearings is much less likely to have this issue.


Is Brian associated with Front Range Off Road Fabrication? I am somewhat familiar with their full floating rear kit. I'd like to know if there is another. -- Matt

One in the same, sorry for the confusion. The only other conversion I know of is definitely 'kit' form (a euphemism for, 'figger it out the hard way'), buying a one ton FF axle and converting it to a disk.

Brian's / FRORF's kit is almost a shake-the-box kit (a euphemism for 'real easy') requiring a few other parts (like calipers, I would use the '85 front calipers and rotors if I were you, and figure out the ebrake, perhaps using All-Pro's ebrake). It is very well made, as are all things FRORF in my experience so far.


-Bill
'87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II'
'97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean'
TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator
"He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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