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Second snow #673590 12/04/05 02:43 PM
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hdrisc Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
OK, we have enough snow that I could see how my 31X10.50 15 BFG mud terrains perform in the snow (street driving). Now if I decide to "sipe" the tires, where can I get info on that, such as the tools to use and how wide the cuts/grooves should be?
Thanks.

Re: Second snow [Re: hdrisc] #673591 12/04/05 03:51 PM
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Dingman Offline
Mudrunner
Call around to a few tire shops and find one with siping maching. I was quoted $15 a tire a few years ago but I didn't do it. I wish I had...


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Re: Second snow [Re: hdrisc] #673592 12/04/05 04:23 PM
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Elbow_Greese Offline
Body Damage is Cool
I just had the tires siped on my Subaru, Discount tire/Americas tire did all 4 for $40.
($10/tire) I don't think it matters how big of tire it is, just that it needs to have a decent amount of tread left.
It's well worth the $40 to have them do it. The sipes are about 1/4" to 1/2" apart all around the tire. How long would it take to cut that by hand? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />
Don't really have a before/after handling of it though, but the car handles nice in the snow! (Part of that is the AWD).
Todd


1986 Pickup extracab longbed "Woody edition"
SAS - 33's, 5.29's, lockright rear.

02 IS300 SportCross - my "DD"
94 2wd v6 extracab
04 Outback Wagon- wife's/family car
Re: Second snow [Re: hdrisc] #673593 12/04/05 04:44 PM
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little_joe Offline
Former Admin
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DIY Tire Siping. If you don't want to spring for the heated knife, a utility knife with a new sharp blade will work fine.


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Re: Second snow [Re: little_joe] #673594 12/04/05 06:18 PM
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4Crawler Offline
Web Wheeler
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I only use an old utility knife blade, works great for me:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/TireSiping.shtml

I most recently siped my 33x10.50 BFGs:

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And the SST I use for the process smile

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Slits spaced ~1/4" apart, start and stop ~1/2" from either end of the tread block.

Re: Second snow [Re: 4Crawler] #673595 12/04/05 11:52 PM
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hdrisc Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Traction:
wet pavement = good
deep snow = good
slush = could be better
There were some spots where the rear end did slide around some. I think this is because of my open diff. Some type of limited slip would definitely help. I drove around in 2WD and 4WD.
Oh, I have my fair share of tools, so what's one more?

Last edited by hdrisc; 12/04/05 11:55 PM.
Re: Second snow [Re: hdrisc] #673596 12/05/05 12:00 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
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Rodeo Guy Offline
Body Damage is Cool
How do they perform? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

My Trxus come presiped, thank you <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Mike

"Damn the carnage! Full throttle ahead!"

95.5 rodeo, 37" Trxus MT, dana 44/9", coil-overs, lockers..... http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/550454
Re: Second snow [Re: Rodeo Guy] #673597 12/05/05 02:29 AM
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87Toy4x4 Offline
Body Damage is Cool
where did you get that qoute from rodeo guy? b/c im not seeing it.


87 22R PU, 2? body lift, 33? BFG muds, 4.88's, F&R Lock-Rights, Rancho Shocks, EB's Street RV Head w/ 268 Cam, LCE Header, 2" to 2 1/4" exhaust, Flowmaster 50 series, Magnaflow high flow cat, complete Herculined SR5 interior, V6 BB, MC, and calipers.
Re: Second snow [Re: 87Toy4x4] #673598 12/05/05 03:03 AM
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Talon84X4 Offline
Rock Warrior
I know this is probably a stupid question....but that's what i'm good at, and sorry if i'm pirating, but theres something i don't understand. Why isn't siping just a standard feature with the mt type tires? You would think with the many terrain variations that our rigs see, more than other civilian tires/vehicles, that it would just be natural for them to be on there. Are they bad in any way for what we do? Do they cause more wear or something? And if not why aren't they put on all tires? It seemed to be an important requirement when talking to a local tire shop and fellow 4wheeler on the issue. I've got mud terrain style tires, and am wondering wether or not siping is needed. I am planning on seeing snow hopefully over this winter. and again sorry for the stupid question.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />.


'84 PU low & slow
Central Valley Crawlers
Re: Second snow [Re: Talon84X4] #673599 12/05/05 03:29 AM
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4Crawler Offline
Web Wheeler
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Some MTs have siping to some degree (like the Procomp MTs, the Swamper SSRs, etc.). You would probably have to ask the tire mfgs. that don't sipe why they don't. I suppose that it would cost more to sipe after the tread is molded and they probably feel it makes the tire look less aggressive if they mold the sipes into the tread. I've found no drawbacks to siping my tires (have done it to 4 sets so far).

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