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Re: winches
#691377
01/31/06 02:26 AM
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 30
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Just wondering, why replace the steel cable with a synthetic? Is it a safety issue, or a strength one, or what?
99 XJ, 4.5" RE lift, SYE+driveshaft, 31" BFG ATs, Warn rear bumper+tire carrier, JCR front bumper and sliders
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Re: winches
[Re: 1neuron]
#691378
01/31/06 03:21 AM
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,398
Body Damage is Cool
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Synthetic rope is safer in that it doesn't stretch at all. By itself, if it breaks under strain it will not snap back like steel cable will. If it is hooked to a nylon tree strap or tow strap or anything else that will stretch, then it can snap back and do harm. It is easily damaged on rocks. Although I haven't used it on a winch I did work on ship handling Tug boats of 5000 HP and we used it to secure the tugs to the ships, #1 because it was much safer and #2 it is very lightweight compared to equal strength wire rope. The line we used on the boats was about 2 1/2" in diameter and had a nominal breaking strength of around 200 tons. We did occasionally break lines and they would make a noise like a half stick of dynomite going off but the line would just fall straight down and not snap back at all. Some people swear by it on winches but the cost is hard to justify. you can replace wire rope three times or more for the cost of one synthetic cable. Steel will stand more abuse. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: winches
[Re: JeePete]
#691379
01/31/06 09:22 AM
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Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 2,211
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BJ, winching a rig that is heavier than your own or one that is severely stuck can lead to frame damage to the lighter rig. I have refused to hook my 1/4 ton flatty winch to a buried 1 ton truck for concern I'd rip my rig apart, particularly when I'd need to "dead man" my rig to a tree. I'll jump in and dig, stack rocks, high lift jack, that stuck rig, but leave the heavy winching to a bigger rig. As far as motors, whatever...Warns who ever makes it, it is better than a Ramsey or MM or HF POS.
If I'm buying a winch I'd like it to do what a good winch should do. That is where all winches but Warns pale. LINE SPEED is more that how fast you reel in when you're done winching. How many of us on this board have been on runs where they are so tough that winching is expected. Not because of being stupid, but rather, where trail is that tough. You know 35" or bigger tires, Lockers F&R, very skilled driving and are still not making it due to trail difficulty? Every trip (6) to South Dakota is like that. Upper Helldorado, is a must winch out the waterfall.
When stuck, you can't back up, can't go forward, can't get a push from fellow jeepers to get moving...the trusty Warn cable gets pulled, and while winching, you are driving too (or at least trying) and as the winch gets you moving, you gain some traction and the winch cable goes slack, with a Warn and the speedy motor (who ever makes it) that slack gets reeled in before you could possibly run over your cable. When I bought my first of two Warns (first one 1987)got sold with my old red cj5 and is working fine today) and the second that is currently on my xj was purchased with the same intention that I will be using it. Not avoiding using it with some notion that it will be there "just in case" but rather to go into trails where it will likely be used. Buy it with the intention of using it and more so over many years, it is after all an investment that shows your dedication to your rig and the sport.
SD
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Re: winches
[Re: superdawg]
#691380
02/01/06 08:05 AM
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,398
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Knowing ones needs is important. I know I will rarely use my winch and I expect it to last for many more years. If it does fail, no big deal, it's a convenience, not a necessity. I have no regrets for buying the Harbor Freight winch I have. It has done what a good winch should do every time I needed it and a few times when other people needed it too, that is, worked. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: winches
#691381
02/14/06 05:19 AM
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Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 28
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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If you get an el-cheapo from harbor-freight, I would be interested in how it holds up
89 YJ, 258cid, ax-15, Webber carb, HEI, 33x12.5's, nerfs, custom diamond plate (for sale)
93 Yote P/U, 22RE, trim'd front, exaust, 32"BFG's (for sale)
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Re: winches
[Re: superdawg]
#691382
02/14/06 04:33 PM
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Anonymous
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BJ, winching a rig that is heavier than your own or one that is severely stuck can lead to frame damage to the lighter rig. I have refused to hook my 1/4 ton flatty winch to a buried 1 ton truck for concern I'd rip my rig apart, particularly when I'd need to "dead man" my rig to a tree. I'll jump in and dig, stack rocks, high lift jack, that stuck rig, but leave the heavy winching to a bigger rig. As far as motors, whatever...Warns who ever makes it, it is better than a Ramsey or MM or HF POS.
If I'm buying a winch I'd like it to do what a good winch should do. That is where all winches but Warns pale. LINE SPEED is more that how fast you reel in when you're done winching. How many of us on this board have been on runs where they are so tough that winching is expected. Not because of being stupid, but rather, where trail is that tough. You know 35" or bigger tires, Lockers F&R, very skilled driving and are still not making it due to trail difficulty? Every trip (6) to South Dakota is like that. Upper Helldorado, is a must winch out the waterfall.
When stuck, you can't back up, can't go forward, can't get a push from fellow jeepers to get moving...the trusty Warn cable gets pulled, and while winching, you are driving too (or at least trying) and as the winch gets you moving, you gain some traction and the winch cable goes slack, with a Warn and the speedy motor (who ever makes it) that slack gets reeled in before you could possibly run over your cable. When I bought my first of two Warns (first one 1987)got sold with my old red cj5 and is working fine today) and the second that is currently on my xj was purchased with the same intention that I will be using it. Not avoiding using it with some notion that it will be there "just in case" but rather to go into trails where it will likely be used. Buy it with the intention of using it and more so over many years, it is after all an investment that shows your dedication to your rig and the sport.
SD the whole point to upgrading the rig it to not have to use the winch , to make the rig more capable to overcome these obstacle on the trail. and as far as driveing the rig while being held by the winch , has any one every read the directions ? most will tell you not to do this as it is very unsafe . i do know that tons of people do this everyday , but it only takes 1 sec. to kill you, if that long . <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: winches
#691383
02/14/06 05:01 PM
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Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 1,817
Body Damage is Cool
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Tinker,
I think you have the message a little mixed-up. The warning is not to use the winch cable as a tow strap. Assisting the winch by driving up a rock wall is not just common sense, but many times, is necessary so the winch cable doesn't attempt to pull the Jeep into the rock ledge but over the top of the rock.
94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
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