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TPS Issue #750332 09/08/06 03:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 116
TOY4ICK Offline OP
Wheeler
As long as I have owned my 4Runner (4 1/2 years), it has had an intermittent problem where it suddenly suffers from a significant reduction in power which worsens as the engine speed increases, also, the idle speed drops about 150 RPM. The engine felt as if there was little or no ignition timing advance. The ignition timing was set to specification with the connector jumpered and the light flashing (no trouble codes). If I set the base timing to 25 degrees, the engine would run much better (with no pinging). Since this has been an intermittent problem which would only last for a few minutes or a few hours, it has been difficult to diagnose. Over the years, I have monitored fuel pressure and volume, performed routine maintenance with quality components, and replaced several engine management components as they became available (used) for a reasonable cost (ECM, knock sensor, mass air flow sensor, ignition module and coil - it doesn't hurt to have spares). I even rebuilt the engine with EB parts including an R.V. cam and oversized valves. Recently, the power output dropped and did not return. While investigating, I unplugged the TPS. The idle speed came right back up to normal and the power improved greatly. I have driven the vehicle for several days with the TPS disconnected and it continues to run well and the "Check Engine" light has yet to come on. Plugging the TPS back in brings back the problem. Has anyone else experienced this? I know the TPS is a pretty important input for the ECM, but is it reasonable for a failed sensor to cause the engine to run so poorly when the engine is capable of running fairly well with it completely disconnected? By disconnecting the TPS am I putting the computer into a backup mode and masking some other problem? If so, shouldn't I be able to expect a trouble code?

Thanks,

Isaac


'86 4Runner SR5 - 22R-EB with V-6 Throttlebody, 2" 4Crawler B.L., Ball Joint Spacers, Rock SliderZ, TJ Coils, 5.29's, Rear Locker, 33" Duratracs
Re: TPS Issue [Re: TOY4ICK] #750333 09/08/06 03:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 12,153
4Crawler Offline
Web Wheeler
*****
A bad sensor can be worse than no sensor, classic case of "Garbage In - Garbage Out". Testit and see:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/TPS/index.shtml

Re: TPS Issue [Re: 4Crawler] #750334 09/09/06 06:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 116
TOY4ICK Offline OP
Wheeler
There were a couple of small erratic glitches that I could find with my Fluke 89-IV (I don't have my 97 anymore) while slowly sweeping up and down. I disassembled the sensor and found the coating on several of the tracks was flaking off (possibly from an enthusiastic throttle body cleaning). I cleaned the tracks, retensioned the follower arms, and re-assembled the sensor. My 4Runner is back to running well with the sensor plugged in. Thanks for the help.


'86 4Runner SR5 - 22R-EB with V-6 Throttlebody, 2" 4Crawler B.L., Ball Joint Spacers, Rock SliderZ, TJ Coils, 5.29's, Rear Locker, 33" Duratracs
Re: TPS Issue [Re: TOY4ICK] #750335 09/12/06 01:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,015
ChrisH Offline
Body Damage is Cool
wow that's one thing i never thought of. I'm having idle/power issues as well and one thing I suspected was my TPS. maybe i'll try unplugging it! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

i was under the impression that no tps < wrong tps
but i have faith in roger ;o]


'95 Toyota Pickup DX Xtended Cab ~ Daily Driver
Re: TPS Issue [Re: ChrisH] #750336 11/11/06 03:11 AM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 31
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ciscofreak Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
TOY4ICK, sent ya a PM!


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