Sweet!!! Now we are on the same page. 1/4 inch plate is my favorite material bumpers no prob. gen 2 have that covered need a gen one for reference for those there is a guy on here that is from placerville my shop is in shingle springs skid plates need gen one measurements have the gen 2 as far as the guy who wanted the long travel tubular front control arms been working on it. sas kit who wants one cross steer. my buddy jaden and i are collaberating to mix it up with some heavy duty toyota steering. thank you everyone for being decent <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />