John, your comment on fun is overestimated. The fastest I've removed the assembly you describe is about 35 minutes with a fresh door. To get the piece you want is to disassemble the whole door. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Fortunately, I have not had to reassemble the thing!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />