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Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI #1009182 09/20/10 05:44 PM
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hazy_daze Offline OP
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This has been an issue since swapping the SR axle and using the GenII progressive coil springs. It is apparently a problem for others. Eddy and I had discussed possible remedies for this many moons ago. I'm just now getting around to doing something about it.

Here are my angles currently...

At the T-case:

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At the pinion flange:

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We were talking about elongating this hole

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to be able to rotate the entire diff. That should change the pinion angle sufficiently. We shall see...


Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: hazy_daze] #1009183 09/20/10 05:51 PM
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Have you tried a search? It might have been discussed before. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> ( <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />)


That truck's never coming off it's stands.


1999 Mitsu Montero - Crappy Weather
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Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: hazy_daze] #1009184 09/20/10 06:35 PM
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willwinchforfood Offline
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Did you measure the pinion flange angle with the wheels on with the truck on the ground with a normal load and a driver in the seat? Also did you measure the angle at the txfer case with the engine fully assembled and everything in place up front?
John


SOLD!!: 91 LS 95 SR Rear LSD front 95 LS front brakes Dons Bumper 10k Gorilla/Promark winch Safari Snorkel Dual bouncy 31's

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Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: willwinchforfood] #1009185 09/20/10 06:44 PM
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hazy_daze Offline OP
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Brendan, no I didn't search. I feel more manly when I don't. And yes, fu**head, it will be coming off the stands. Eventually.




Definitely before I sell the house.






John, everything is together sans driveshafts. And the angles I'm getting are the same as I got with tires on the ground, loaded as usual with 3 80lbs bags of sand in the driver's seat (which is within 100 lbs of my actual weight <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.)

I had already taken that stuff into account. I've been stewing on this for a couple years now. Your Dad and I figgered if I could get them within 1 degree or less of each other that'd be good enough. Your thoughts?


Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: hazy_daze] #1009186 09/20/10 07:20 PM
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I laughed pretty hard when i read your response. Thanks <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


'88 Raider. 2.6L dead...2.4L swap in progress, AT, 33's, 2 bouncy seat,AC, CC, 2.25 exh, 2" Tbar, 2" BL, rear DB, rear LSD,4.90's, SW hubs,gen2 uca's, KYB shocks, snorkel, elec fan, MSD.

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Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: hazy_daze] #1009187 09/20/10 07:36 PM
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willwinchforfood Offline
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Id just run it. No sense in possibly making more problems. If its not eating joints...
John


SOLD!!: 91 LS 95 SR Rear LSD front 95 LS front brakes Dons Bumper 10k Gorilla/Promark winch Safari Snorkel Dual bouncy 31's

1991 Chevy Suburban 33's. All other stock.
Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: willwinchforfood] #1009188 09/20/10 07:41 PM
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hazy_daze Offline OP
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It hasn't been eating them per se. More like chewing or gnawing at lightly. And the hum at ~60-65mph is annoying as hell...

I don't see where it'll create more issues. If it doesn't work, I'll simply put it back where it was. Am I missing something in that plan?


Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: hazy_daze] #1009189 09/20/10 07:52 PM
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motero Offline
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Are you sure the shaft is balanced and mounts centered? Just checking.


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03 2500 Ram QCLB Cummins....18mpg
02 2500 Yukon XL, We out grew the montero, at least it has one locker.....13mpg (sold)
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Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: motero] #1009190 09/20/10 08:18 PM
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fasteddy Offline
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My most recent research says no more than 1/2* difference in the angles.

The measurement I saw used was to install the ujoints and driveshaft, and set the slip yoke and pinion yoke to 6 ans 12 oclock. Put a socket of proper size on the bearing cap to get gauge clearance and measure the angle of the socket.

Diagrams and add'l info is here.


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Re: Pinion angle solution after an SR axle swap in a GenI [Re: fasteddy] #1009191 09/20/10 08:38 PM
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fasteddy Offline
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More stuff here on max ujoint angles vs shaft speed:
SHAFT RPM OPERATING ANGLE
5000 3.25?
4500 3.67?
4000 4.25?
3500 5.00?
3000 5.83?
2500 7.00?
2000 8.67?
1500 11.5?

Now consider that with our a/t's, the dshaft is rotating FASTER than the engine. for example, with a .70 od ratio, at 2800rpms, the shaft is doing 4000rpms, so the angle limit is 4.25* I think ours exceeds that. The result is shortened ujoint life. Average life is 3000hrs. Doubling the angle halves the life, and differences in angle also shorten the life, but I haven't found a factor for that yet.


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