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symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) #1011751 10/26/10 09:04 PM
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builthatch Offline OP
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so, i made a thread about my radiator. however, i started it up this morning after filling it up with coolant last night and the truck was missing. i noticed under the hood that there was a gathering of coolant on the merge from the exhaust manifold pieces, down toward the downpipe (like where the reed valve pipe is but in front). i also noticed some wetness on the exhaust heat shield edge, near that area. could be coolant coming in from the head or HG, going into the exhaust manifold and collecting there, bubbling out and spattering as a result. as the truck was warming up the wetness started to steam and it smelled like coolant to me. it is wasn't coming from INSIDE everything, MAYBE it was a split in that coolant pipe that runs in that direction, under the exhaust manifold. but that wouldn't explain the miss. i pulled number 2 plug wire and no change. so i pulled number two plug and steam was coming out of the hole <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

the plug was also wet...not with fuel (no smell) so i'm thinking it was water.

Sooo...this head is an OE head with the jet valve eliminated. what are the chances that it is more than a head gasket? is a HG hard on this thing?

again, i find myself in a weird position since it was such a cheap truck. i got 20k and over 2 years out of it. other than this issue, it has served us well. do i give up now? that is the question i always ask with this thing.

i'm thinking i should pull the head and see what's doin'. i'm worried it is the head too, but i guess clearwater can rescue me there ; )


'87 swb 5spd 2.6L Montero, >150k miles. Pretty much bone stock as purchased from user ToddStidham1, 'cept some Hella 500's, 700's and Hella ECE headlight conversions.

6'4", 315lbs
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: builthatch] #1011752 10/27/10 06:40 AM
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mxmikie Offline
Body Damage is Cool
compression test


it dosent have to be surrounded by water to be an island
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: mxmikie] #1011753 10/27/10 06:15 PM
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builthatch Offline OP
Wheeler
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compression test


i was going to do a leakdown to try to narrow it down but it doesn't matter. i know the HG, at the min, is gone. i don't even know if my battery would make it through a compression test. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

a HG would be ok, but i'm concerned about the head being the problem, because that might make or break whether i fix this or sell it. either the HG or head are gone, for sure. water on the plug, steam coming out of the plug hole and white exhaust like a choo choo train.

i'm off to staples to print & bind sections 0 and 7 through 11 of the FSM ; )


'87 swb 5spd 2.6L Montero, >150k miles. Pretty much bone stock as purchased from user ToddStidham1, 'cept some Hella 500's, 700's and Hella ECE headlight conversions.

6'4", 315lbs
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: builthatch] #1011754 10/27/10 07:49 PM
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fasteddy Offline
Web Wheeler
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I think if it's not leaking at the crack between the valves, have it straightened and surfaced and do the block prep and headgasket it. Mark the hoses well.


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Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: builthatch] #1011755 10/27/10 07:51 PM
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300D50 Offline
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Unless staples changed their policy, you can't print something you don't hold copyright to. Then again maybe the dim bulb behind the counter that day had a stick up an orifice that doesn't need sticks...


1989 Dodge Power Ram 50 w/ no engine <- rotten frame <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
1988 Power Ram 50 2.6 Long Bed
1990 Mitsubishi MightyMax V6, swapping to the Daimler-Benz OM617 3.0L I5 diesel
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: 300D50] #1011756 10/27/10 07:55 PM
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builthatch Offline OP
Wheeler
fasteddy, thanks man. i'm going to get it (the head) checked for everything at the machine shop.

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Unless staples changed their policy, you can't print
something you don't hold copyright to. Then again maybe the dim bulb behind the counter that day had a stick up an orifice that doesn't need sticks...


haha, yeah, that probably is policy, but i'm gonna give it a shot. i can't have my putey anywhere near my work area and touching a track pad with greasy hands is an issue.

OR...i could print it out myself but it's like 160 pages. i'd have to go there anyway for more ink and paper though. hmm.

i'll let you know how it works out.


'87 swb 5spd 2.6L Montero, >150k miles. Pretty much bone stock as purchased from user ToddStidham1, 'cept some Hella 500's, 700's and Hella ECE headlight conversions.

6'4", 315lbs
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: builthatch] #1011757 10/28/10 12:07 AM
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airbats801 Offline
Mudrunner
Sorry to hear it. Most people dont realize in the service section, you are suppose to re-torque the head bolts every so often so if it didnt overheat, hopefully you just popped the hg.

Any way you look at it, it's an easy head to pull. I usually just pull the entire op end off when im doing turbo cars, but i seem to remember it being much easier to pull the manifolds off while still in the car with my 88 d50.

There is your unbolt sequence. do it in small turns. Good luck.
8 6 1 3 9
10 4 2 5 7


8 Starion SHP, 87 mitsubishi van, , 81 galant g54bt, 78 lancer g54bt, 1965 Mitsubishi Debonair Deluxe
87 swb montero offroad pkg goin g54bt with sr locker 33x12.5 dual bouncy.
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: airbats801] #1011758 10/28/10 02:33 AM
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builthatch Offline OP
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Sorry to hear it. Most people dont realize in the service section, you are suppose to re-torque the head bolts every so often so if it didnt overheat, hopefully you just popped the hg.

Any way you look at it, it's an easy head to pull. I usually just pull the entire op end off when im doing turbo cars, but i seem to remember it being much easier to pull the manifolds off while still in the car with my 88 d50.

There is your unbolt sequence. do it in small turns. Good luck.
8 6 1 3 9
10 4 2 5 7


thanks sir!

yeah, i've done honda sohc HGs in my sleep HOWEVER...the wild card with this thing is the DAMN vac lines for this little carb, all 80k of them!!!

so i was able to get staples to run off and bind the juicy parts of the service manual that i always use, and will be using for this lil project

[Linked Image]

it cost about 19 bucks so it'll be worth it i'm sure.


'87 swb 5spd 2.6L Montero, >150k miles. Pretty much bone stock as purchased from user ToddStidham1, 'cept some Hella 500's, 700's and Hella ECE headlight conversions.

6'4", 315lbs
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: builthatch] #1011759 10/28/10 10:18 AM
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airbats801 Offline
Mudrunner
oops, I gave you the tightening sequnce the loosesnign is opposite. yeah the vac lines are horrible.


8 Starion SHP, 87 mitsubishi van, , 81 galant g54bt, 78 lancer g54bt, 1965 Mitsubishi Debonair Deluxe
87 swb montero offroad pkg goin g54bt with sr locker 33x12.5 dual bouncy.
Re: symptoms: pick a problem! (headgasket?) [Re: airbats801] #1011760 10/28/10 10:53 PM
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fasteddy Offline
Web Wheeler
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felpro gaskets do not require retorquing, nor to most any except copper without hylomar, unless you overheat it. After any overheat, it is very good practice to retorque immediately to see if you can save the headgasket. The PT in felpro part number means permatorque, the blue stuff on them is machine printed rtvish stuff for a self setting gasket seal. The gasket is resistant to compression, too, past the specced compressed thickness at specified torque.


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