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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: 4x4Wire] #1015887 12/27/10 07:09 AM
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Thank you, Frank, for making me feel better. I picked up a Voere .300 Win Mag a while back. My original intention was to just use it as it came. Then I decided to touch up the stock a bit, and then I decided to touch up a couple spots in the bluing, then I was going to shoot it.

I decided to strip all the bluing and re-blue the barrel and action. Then I re-finished the stock.

When I pulled the barrel and action and discovered that there as a rub spot on the barrel where the white line between the rosewood cap and the rest of the stock came together had rubbed on the barrel. I decided to go ahead and fix that so that the barrel free-floated as designed (it is also pillar mounted). That was a 10 or 15 minute fix using a 1/4 spool carving chisel. I just removed the portion of the white line that protruded from the stock.

I still haven't shot it as they recommended letting the bluing cure for 6 weeks or so.


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: FrankR] #1015888 12/27/10 08:28 AM
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Now I don't profess to know much about guns, but I've got a feeling this isn't going to be much use for "spotlighting" intended prey....

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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: Jim_Paget] #1015889 12/27/10 03:41 PM
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Jim, you're welcome! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> I'll bet that Voere is a beauty.... they make some nice rifles. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

This one will probably seem strange to some folks - it'll be a blend of old and new.... what I call a Clint Eastwood rifle - the good, bad and ugly. Since it'll be some pretty and some practical, maybe it'll be pretty practical.

I found out that many of the Redfield JR mounts leave a gap on the sight dovetail, so I'll leave it alone until I mount the scope and see how far off POA is from POI. The gap is .023", so if I did the math correctly and the mount should lie flat on the receiver, POA with a centered scope will be 18" of elevation at 100 yards. The intended scope has 50" of internal vertical adjustment at 100 yards, but I don't want to drop it too low for 100 yard zero. It's nice to have a bit of natural elevation so there's more adjustment in the scope for long shots, but I think 18" at neutral is waaaay excessive for any shooting I'll do. Maybe Carlos Hathcock would like it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I've ordered the scope, drill/tap, stock finishing kit, zinc phosphate parkerizing solution, etc. It's amazing how much money you can put in an old rifle if you really try.

Frank


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: FrankR] #1015890 12/27/10 05:20 PM
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It's going to be a nice plinker. I bet you will be surprised by the accuracy otherwise that stock will look great "over the mantel" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

I was at the range two weeks ago trying out my new all copper ammo since they outlawed lead in California A zone because of the California Condor. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: LRJ4x4] #1015891 12/28/10 05:12 PM
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outlawed lead in California


Meaning???? Can we still shoot off our old stuff? I know a few places that still ship surplus ammo to Cali and thats all FMJ lead....and all the airgun pellets are still lead.


I'll have to read up on this.

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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: cmonty72] #1015892 12/28/10 05:27 PM
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You can shoot lead all you want, you just can't hunt with it or have on you while hunting in the following area

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/condor/docs/Ridley-TreeCondorPreservationAct.pdf


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: LRJ4x4] #1015893 12/28/10 08:57 PM
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'0e-A3's with a star on the receiver were National Match weapons, accurized to the max, and they all had full floating barrels because the rifle would heat up and get a bend in the barrel if it was bound to the stock. Actions were bedded. I think you are on the right track, even in a different stock.


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: fasteddy] #1015894 12/29/10 04:38 AM
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FrankR Offline OP
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Part of my plan for this rifle is to pillar bed the action with the original steel bedding, plus epoxy bed the receiver, recoil lug and a couple of inches of the barrel past the chamber, free-float the rest of the barrel... check my Bubba crown job for grouping, recrown if necessary and then see what load the remaining length of barrel resonance likes.

I have a feeling the shorter barrel may be a little stiffer and more accurate than the full 24" length, but I won't know until I shoot it. I'll give up a few fps of velocity, but the loss of velocity isn't so bad on .30-06 ammunition.... maybe 20fps/inch of barrel loss - so maybe 30fps.... negligible as a percentage of an average lead load of 2700fps. It'll be interesting to see if a heavier or lighter bullet works in the shorter barrel. I'm sure plenty of folks have already figured this out, but I do love to prove things to myself so I (think I) understand them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I guess I might get a little muzzle blast from the shorter barrel, but maybe it'll serve to keep the other shooters away from me at the range. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I really don't know why I'm doing this - except that I never had the means to experiment with this stuff as a kid and now I can, so I will. Heck, when I was a kid, any day I had the money to buy a box of .22 shorts or a box of shotgun shells, I was out the door and in the woods with whatever rifle or shotgun I had - and it really didn't matter if it was a nice firearm or a piece of junk, so long as it was in my hands. Now I can buy all the ammo and firearms I want, but I never get to the woods...... so I'll make up a reason.

This one will be very simple, not completely removed from it's roots, yet refined in a way only a hunter would appreciate - the rifle I would have built as a kid - if I could have had anything I wanted. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Frank


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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: FrankR] #1015895 12/29/10 02:30 PM
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Evidently I am now an addict. I have been planning to pick up a couple of deer rifles and I did so Monday. They will be for my grandson and I to use.

The first is a fully sporterized Mauser action with a synthetic stock. It has mounts but no scope. It does have adjustable rear sight and a decent front sight. It is a .270 and is in very nice condition.

The second is a Savage 110E with a wood stock. It has a 4x scope. The caliber is 30.06.

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I did notice that the 30.06 could use a recoil pad, both need slings and I need to get a scope for the .270.


Jim Paget
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Re: Hunting Rifle Mission Creep [Re: Jim_Paget] #1015896 12/29/10 08:51 PM
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FrankR Offline OP
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The Mauser is a very nice rifle..... its action was copied by the US government for use in building the 1903 Springfield. Mauser is considered a slightly better action than the Springfield version.

There are a gazillion scopes from which to choose - some better than others. If it helps, here's a category list compiled by the always controversial Chuck Hawks:

web page

One thing I'd point out for consideration - not necessarily a recommendation, since everyone has a specific need - It is rumored that Bushnell is either discontinuing/renaming/restyling/combining/whatever their Elite 3200 and 4200 line of scopes.... so dealers are beginnning to discount their present inventory fairly well. I have waited until after Christmas and until I saw the one I wanted at a price I thought was pretty good - not a steal, but close enough to what I wanted to pay. I just bought a new Elite 3200 3-9x40mm in gloss finish for $159.99 shipped..... not bad for a scope good enough for my needs. The matte finish is about $5 less. If you wait a while (and if Bushnell will suit your needs), you might see even better prices, but I was happy paying that.

Frank

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