Then, I guess we're both socialists...... but each from a different tribe. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

What you really seem to be against is a managed economy. Governments usually either pay money for welfare that tempts those accepting it to not work - or - they help corporations provide jobs - or - sometimes both at the same time.

While it might be idealistic to not do either (and I'd rather we didn't), I'd much rather nourish competitive business than pay folks to sit idle, including some of the farm programs that pay the farmer not to grow a crop and let his fields go fallow.

Frank