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Sudden rough running and backfiring?
#1021512
02/24/11 03:55 PM
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Joined: Jul 2004
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Rock Warrior
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Cruising on the highway last week I heard a pop/tick noise and it seemed to die for a split second then come back. Did this a few times within a couple miles. Has run rough all over and backfires when reved since then. Haven't looked that deep into it yet, but the research I've done points to a vac leak or timing problem as the most common causes.
So far this is what I do know:
No changes in the setup, basically left alone for quite a while now aside from changing the fast idle speed around the time winter hit
Distributor looks to be in the same position is has been and that bolt isn't loose
Although I haven't tested it with ether yet, the one vac line it has looks to be connected and as it was before this issue
The plugs look good to me, nothing broken and the tips are clean, maybe a little "dirty" looking on the ceramic. I've also pulled one wire at a time as I did last time I had a problem that ended up being a busted plug. Each plug made it run even worse when pulled from the cap.
I've also read about things like jumping timing, but I'd like to exhaust all the typical things first. Hopefully I've got some troubleshooting time before the next snow hits <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />
'87 Raider w/rebuilt 2.6 Weber 32/36
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: Jamez]
#1021513
02/24/11 04:37 PM
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Joined: Jul 2004
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Rock Warrior
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Forgot to mention the backfire is through the carb, not the exhaust.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: Jamez]
#1021514
02/25/11 01:43 AM
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Joined: Feb 2010
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Getting the Wheeling Fever
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I had a simialr experience with my 2.6L. I pulled each plug one at a time until I narrowed down the culprit cylinder. I then removed the valve cover and found that the last Camshaft Bearing bracket had broken in two, allowing the camshaft to move upward and not opening and closing the valves properly. It was a simple fix, but you might check into that.
-Austin
1988 SWB Montero - 2.6L - 5-speed Weber Carb (Coming Soon) Rugged Ridge AVM Hubs
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: leadheavy52]
#1021515
02/25/11 10:08 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 445
Mudrunner
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you can check the timing pretty easy by pulling the valve cover off, then putting the crank at tdc on number 1 both valves closed in the front and make sure that cam dowl hole is at 12 o clock. If it isnt then it's jumped a tooth.
I suppose it's also possible of a bad ignition componet also.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: airbats801]
#1021516
02/25/11 04:46 PM
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Rock Warrior
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On the timing thing, would a compression test tell me if the cam timing is off? I could loan a tool one of those and get a better idea maybe.
About the TDC thing, just stick a straw in number one and rotate motor until its as far up as it'll go? I'm guessing it could be on the wrong stroke so if it is that dowel will be 180 off?
Also pull all the plugs and hold throttle wide open, pull coil wire off and crank a few times?
Last edited by Jamez; 02/25/11 05:06 PM.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: Jamez]
#1021517
02/25/11 06:49 PM
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Roll Me Over
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once you remove the cam cover you can see the sprocket. rotate the engine until the dowel pin is at the top and turn the crank till the timing mark is TDC. The dowel should be at 12 oclock as mentioned. Then look over everything else up there. Look for a broken valve spring, the rockers. Look at the end of the rockers to see if a lash adjuster broke out of the end. Make sure the jet valves are working freely. They have light springs and can get buggered up.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: OldColt]
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02/25/11 11:28 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
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Web Wheeler
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I suspect a jet valve has come apart. This squirts compression pressure and combustion fire out the carb.
Not responsible for advice not taken...
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: fasteddy]
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02/28/11 06:56 PM
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Would that be obvious once the valve cover is removed? I just need to make room in the garage, pull it in and start taking it apart.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: Jamez]
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02/28/11 07:51 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
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Web Wheeler
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Yes, it should be obvious. You may have to remove the cam sprocket bolt (only if you have the little metal shelf for the gear to sit on, or the tensioner will expand and you can't get the sprocket back onto the cam because the chain tightens up) and loosen up all the rocker arm shaft bolts and let it come off (use cut off rubber glove fingers to hold the lash adjusters in the rockers) the cam, and any broken jet valves should pop out. You may get enough slack to check by backing off the adjuster nuts, but it's just a quick to take off the rocker shafts.
If the cam sprocket slips down too far, there's a fix with a half inch dowell about 2' long, end whittled to a tapered wedge and hammered in between the two sides of the chain, driving the tensioner back in.
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Re: Sudden rough running and backfiring?
[Re: fasteddy]
#1021521
02/28/11 09:44 PM
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Joined: Dec 2008
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Rock Warrior
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Would a cracked distributer cap cause this?
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