Thanks, I am still a little curious if the shackle idea is worth going after? The local shop opens tomorrow and I was kicking around getting a quote. I want to go after the most cost effective + off road effective option possible. I will start posting picks as soon as I start to help anyone else who might be looking into doing this. I have found that the raider is a pain to mod. I hope to help anyone else who is looking to do what I am doing. On another note, I went to the lake today and hit a large puddle/pond pretty hard. After, I heard what sounded like a chain raddling and it left me feeling like I was waiting for something bad to happen <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />. It stopped after a while, any ideas on what this might have been? I have no other wheelers in the area to give me advise, and my dad is an old timer who only knows classics and thinks MM's are the devil <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />. Thanks.