<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Its the truth. i used to be an art major and I used to do engineering and drafting diagrams, so it is not to hard to do this stuff free hand in paint, though autocad would have been 10 times easier and accurate. I have drawn a house in paint and people that it was a cad drawing.

Anyways Hbr having got a game plan on what you are going to do for your winch bumper? I forgot to mention earlier but you can use arbs from a grand cherokee with some mods and the landcrusier one is a nice fit but is about 2" too wide on both sides but that can be cut down.