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Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: monte3] #1042825 03/06/12 02:35 AM
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I've been to their shop and also purchased heads for my 3.0 from them. I live an hour from there. Would you like me to go there and give them a piece of your mind for you?


1990 Black Monty LS Over 300K' 1993 Isuzu Rodeo LS 4x4 46k (yes only 46K!)1989 Honda Transalp 600 Africa twin,
Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: sasnydley] #1042826 03/06/12 02:41 AM
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Step 1: Negotiate with clearwater for a new head, freight on them. Point out to them that this forum has bought a lot of their heads, and if they don't make it good, adios clearwater. Be nice until the end. Mistakes happen. I bet they send you a new one.

Step 2: If step 1 fails, if you paid via credit card, dispute the charge.


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Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: fasteddy] #1042827 03/06/12 03:26 AM
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I've seen personally how hard this guy has worked on this engine. The least he could get out of this would be for clearwater to own up to there mistake and ship him a new head with the CORRECT cams in place. And at this point, I see no rookie here.

Now get that head from clearwater and show that engine and up coming trails whos boss!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT ABOUT BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: PA_JERO] #1042828 03/06/12 04:25 AM
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Canyonero Offline OP
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So, the consensus seems to be to replace the entire head, instead of just replacing the cam with the correct one. Damn. Was hoping not to have to drain the block, and replace the head with the engine in the truck. My thought was since I had the cams swapped on the passenger side, and that head is ok, I might be able to get away with just replacing the cam. Better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

I'll report back tomorrow with what Clearwater says. If they jerk me around, I'll call on my Mitsu brethren to send a wave of nasty emails to encourage them to reconsider. Ha ha. Thanks again for all of the help and encouragement fellas.


1995 Montero SR
2" Body Lift
35x12.50x15 Cooper Discoverer STT
Aisins
Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: Canyonero] #1042829 03/06/12 05:36 AM
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I would not pull the head if I did not have too... Why ..

I would check each cyl at compression stock if none of the valves looked as if they would of hit ... I would put the right cam in and check compression..If its good run it .. Get on the trail and back to life with the famliy ...

As Eddy said about looking at the rocker arms...Any play in the rocker arms as the cam lobe faces away from the cam ...?

Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: haztoys] #1042830 03/06/12 05:05 PM
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You'd have to do a compression test with a leak down tester, since the cams are wrong. Or use one of those compression testers with the quick disconnect hose that fits an airline disco. You'd have to remove the cams to close all the valves. With the cams removed you cant rotate the motor because the pside cams are still in. Or, remove all 4 cams and rotate the motor, but then you have no intake air to compress...

I'd call clearwater first and explain what you have found. I swear there's some kind of identifier on the cams themselves, but I could be wrong.


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Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: fasteddy] #1042831 03/06/12 05:33 PM
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Canyonero Offline OP
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Ok, I called Clearwater this morning. Their recommendation was to pull the cams, and run a minimum of 90psi into the cylinders to check for any leaky valves. That way they will know if they need to send me an intake cam, or send me a new head. I just bought my compression tester on Sunday, so I'll have to look at the adapters that came with it to see if I can run pressure into the cylinders, and check for leak down at the same time via the gauge. I need to let them know by tomorrow at the latest if they are going to get me a replacement cam or head by the weekend. So at the very least, it looks like there going to take care of it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

When I called them about the passenger side cams that I swapped, they said there are no markings on the cams to identify which is which. You just have to go by the lobe position with the pin up. My thinking is I ran the passenger side head with the exhaust cam in the intake position, and I'm getting 180psi+ (on a cold engine) on each cylinder on that side, so I seem to have avoided any damage. I'm hoping the same is true with the driver side. I didn't do a leak down test on the passenger side though, so I may not have all of the facts on the condition of that side.


1995 Montero SR
2" Body Lift
35x12.50x15 Cooper Discoverer STT
Aisins
Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: Canyonero] #1042832 03/06/12 06:11 PM
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If you have 180psi, it's fine. Fix the dside and go riding...

When you check the dside, you'll have to close the valves. Easiest way may be to remove both cams, and DON'T MIX THEM UP.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: fasteddy] #1042833 03/06/12 06:27 PM
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Canyonero Offline OP
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Ha ha! Will do man. Since both cams are identical, I can't screw them up, but I've already got them marked with a Sharpie. Don't want to make THAT mistake again!


1995 Montero SR
2" Body Lift
35x12.50x15 Cooper Discoverer STT
Aisins
Re: Troubleshooting/diagnosis/direction help. 95SR. (long) [Re: fasteddy] #1042834 03/07/12 03:51 AM
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haztoys Offline
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You'd have to do a compression test with a leak down tester, since the cams are wrong. Or use one of those compression testers with the quick disconnect hose that fits an airline disco. You'd have to remove the cams to close all the valves. With the cams removed you cant rotate the motor because the pside cams are still in. Or, remove all 4 cams and rotate the motor, but then you have no intake air to compress...

I'd call clearwater first and explain what you have found. I swear there's some kind of identifier on the cams themselves, but I could be wrong.


Sorry Eddy I did not word by post right ... I was trying to say ..Look a the valve tops at the cam to see if there bent or low ...If they look good do the cam ... I can build a motor easyer there I can spell .. sign ...

The "dont mix the cams up" made me LOL...

I'm with Justice ...I bet there marked ..I never look I marks I mark them before I pull them .. Theres not a mark on the ends ..?? The japaness mark every thing if you know what you looking at ....Strange ...

Maybe they dont..

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