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Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: Monster] #1047418 05/31/12 07:24 PM
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Just jacked up the truck and checked the wheels, they do go the same direction when in Neutral, but in Parking with the little bit of play, wheels rotate different directions.

Now I recall I did do something stupid, I tried putting the transmission in Drive and Reverse to see if that would help with locking, as the diff lock motor kept going forever.


#1 Locker pump continuously running = not locked
#2 wheels rotate different directions = not locked

Unless I'm totally missing something. (which is always possible)


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Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: fasteddy] #1047419 05/31/12 09:35 PM
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I am not sure we are on the right path here. Lets do the following (I kibitz, you do the work. I'm not driving to Denver <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)

1. Jack up both rear wheels and put it in park and rotate one wheel. Report what the other wheel does.

2. repeat above in neutral and report results.

3. Jack up all 4 wheels and put it in neutral and tcase in 2wd and rotate a rear wheel, and report if one front wheel turns

4. shift to 4hi and repeat 3 and report back.

Ebrake must be off for all tests. I'd turn the key on for each, then repeat test with key off. Humor me...


Haha <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ,
I just took it to a shop, looking at the job, not having proper tools and a helper, I gave up. Hopefully they wont charge me alot!
But I did do a couple of tests:

Backend jacked up:
- While in Parking: a bit of play, wheels turn oposite directin.
-While in Neutral: Wheels turn same direction.

Onething I am dead sure is that the problem is with the locker gear stuck and the spring (or whatever that retracts the actuator)is not doing it is job.
Another thing I mentioned about the 4H not being able to engage "on the fly"; is hopefully due to the the above problem. I should hear back from the shop by the end of the day today and will report back <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: Ian Sharpe] #1047420 06/01/12 11:58 PM
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mate, if you take the axles out fully, you have to disconnect the hand brake assembly & its a [censored] to connect back up, Ive done it twice. S ome say you can just pull out the axles a couple of inches without removing the brakes etc, but I couldnt do it, so had to take the brakes off. Oh & yeah the diff centre is one heavy mother, make sure you definately put a jack undder it so you can lower it, its also a bugger to actually get it out but once it does start to come out it is only going one place & thats on your head, hand or whatever you have in the way, so use a jack. cheers

After going to two service shops including one dealer, the prices are so high, (around $700) that I am going to give it a try, my only worry is how to pull the axle shafts out 3" as the manual states, I just have to man up and do it myself. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: Monster] #1047421 06/02/12 02:04 AM
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If it were mine and not saying this is the correct or safe thing to do...but, before disassembling....I would jack up both rear wheels to remove any loading from gears, disconnect air line to locker, and then ensuring your in 2WD drive drive forward and reverse a few times then tap the carrier case with a BFH...repeat...then repeat again...jar that sucker loose...


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Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: justice] #1047422 06/02/12 03:38 AM
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I did try hitting the housing with a Sludge Hammer while my wife was twisting the wheels back and forth and had a 12 volt vacuum (mattery pump) at suction attached to the air hose (going the the actuator) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> no help.

Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: Monster] #1047423 06/02/12 09:11 AM
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I'm gonna say it one more time...

If your rear wheels spin in opposite directions with the rear wheels jacked up, and it in park, IT IS NOT LOCKED.

If they will NOT spin at all with it in park, it is locked, and if they spin the same direction when in neutral, it is locked.

If you locker pump runs all the time, the diaphragm has a tear, or some other problem, and it's not going to mysteriously lock somehow, and become stuck.


I honestly think you're chasing the wrong thing. I bet you've got a transfer case stuck in 4hi.

It's a BUNCH eaiser to pull those hub slugs up front, and see if the binding goes away than it is to pull that rear differential.


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Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: LandRaider] #1047424 06/02/12 01:57 PM
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I'm gonna say it one more time...

If your rear wheels spin in opposite directions with the rear wheels jacked up, and it in park, IT IS NOT LOCKED.

If they will NOT spin at all with it in park, it is locked, and if they spin the same direction when in neutral, it is locked.





If you locker pump runs all the time, the diaphragm has a tear, or some other problem, and it's not going to mysteriously lock somehow, and become stuck.


I honestly think you're chasing the wrong thing. I bet you've got a transfer case stuck in 4hi.

It's a BUNCH eaiser to pull those hub slugs up front, and see if the binding goes away than it is to pull that rear differential.


These are the reasons I think rear diff is locked:

-When jacked up wheels turn the same direction when in Neutral.
-When the back wheels were jacked, I put the car in D & R (front wheels on the ground, 2H) reved up to speeds of 30MPH (rear wheels turning only).
-My turning radius is ridiculous, I hear the tires slip and squel fighting the simultaneous rotational speed of both rear wheels.
-Mits dealership diagnosed the locked rear diff aswell.

Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: Monster] #1047425 06/03/12 12:38 AM
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There was a reason I gave you 4 different tests to try. If you want to diagnose what's really wrong, do all of them and report results. If you LOCK the pinion gear by putting it in park, and the wheels rotate at all, the rear diff is NOT locked. If it was locked, you could not rotate the wheel because there is no differential action - its LOCKED by the locker and the park pawl in the tranny. And it's not the first time a mitsu dealer made a wrong diagnosis....

Curtis has as good a mechanical knowledge as anybody who ever worked at a mitsu stealership. Why not listen to him?


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: fasteddy] #1047426 06/03/12 01:01 AM
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What fasteddy and land raider said.

I think you'll find that most advice you'll get here is sound especially from these two among many others.

Of course you could guess your way into a fix but personally if you don't know, I'd say it's much better to ask.


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Re: Help!!!! Reaf diff lock stuck! 96 Montero SR [Re: fasteddy] #1047427 06/03/12 01:09 AM
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Agreed with all above - if you're looking for advice on here, you really have to follow the suggestions to the letter and give us feedback. You are very lucky to have several of our best diagnosticians on your side, but they can't help you if you don't follow and report back. No one is saying to replace any parts yet, or even pull anything off. This might not be as bad as you think... But you gotta "help us help you"... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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