Extreme Terrain
4x4Wire Trail Talk Forums: Jeep, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pajero, Isuzu, Kia, 4WD, 4x4, SUV, Off-Road and OutdoorWire Forums


Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 3 of 3 1 2 3
Re: 94' 4Runner 3.0 Hesitation issue driving me nutz! [Re: David_M] #1050201 09/28/12 08:38 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,674
stock87 Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Quote
300 miles on the new O2 Sensor, and I notice that my millage is back down to about 18 highway which is much more believable than the 23 i was getting. Engine also sounds a little different. I have not pulled a plug yet but I intend to do so later today. I cant say with any certainty that I have picked up any power at all.

Still I notice that when the engine is fully warm and hit the timing light that the mark still bounces around. Can someone please tell me if this is normal for this engine?

Thank you!


I haven't read up on the 3VZ specifically, but I'm imagining it's set up like the 22RE. On that, from what I've read, the physical timing is only used for startup and if some part of the ignition system fails, otherwise the timing is set and controlled by the computer (obviously within the limits of cap/rotor contact). I don't recall if the 3VZ has something like the timing jumper that the 22REs have, where it sets control of the timing back to the physical side so that you can adjust it accurately, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I know on my wife's car (03 Hyundai), the timing behaves like you describe when I stick a timing light on it. It has no distributor at all, and everything is controlled by the computer, so I'm assuming I'm just watching the computer play with the timing.



Or I could be completely off base with all those theories, but I do think it's normal behavior.


My Truck: 1987 XtraCab DLX 22R 4WD 5 Speed Manual
--------------------
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you." -Jeremy Clarkson
Re: 94' 4Runner 3.0 Hesitation issue driving me nutz! [Re: stock87] #1050202 10/01/12 11:43 PM
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 152
David_M Offline OP
Wheeler

Quote

I haven't read up on the 3VZ specifically, but I'm imagining it's set up like the 22RE. On that, from what I've read, the physical timing is only used for startup and if some part of the ignition system fails, otherwise the timing is set and controlled by the computer (obviously within the limits of cap/rotor contact). I don't recall if the 3VZ has something like the timing jumper that the 22REs have, where it sets control of the timing back to the physical side so that you can adjust it accurately, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I know on my wife's car (03 Hyundai), the timing behaves like you describe when I stick a timing light on it. It has no distributor at all, and everything is controlled by the computer, so I'm assuming I'm just watching the computer play with the timing.


Or I could be completely off base with all those theories, but I do think it's normal behavior.


I cannot say with any certainty - either way because I have read a bazillion posts and it has been said both ways. From my own deduction i surmise that this engine uses a Base + timing system. The distributor does in fact have 3 hall effect pickups in it. There is a computer diagnostic port that you "jump" that turns off the computer control while you set the "Base Timing". And I have learned from messing with it, that your base hard setting will effect the engine running. So I assume it is in fact a base plus system.

That being said, this engine also uses a knock sensor that the computer uses to retard the timing if you are pinging or knocking. I don't believe that a proper tuned engine should have a bouncy random spark when the computer timing is bypassed. And I have not seen this on my other Toyota's save my old 2.4 but that unit needed a timing set. And it was the same hot or cold. Don't really know, all I know is that I don't have any low end torque at all. And It just does not get up and go like it use too. I can see all this on an engine with 250-300K on it but at 170K she is still just a teenager!

Page 3 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  4Crawler, 4x4Wire, kewlynx 







4x4Wire Social:

| 4x4Wire on FaceBook |


OutdoorWire, 4x4Wire, JeepWire, TrailTalk, MUIRNet-News, and 4x4Voice are all trademarks and publications of OutdoorWire, Inc. and MUIRNet Consulting.
Copyright (c) 1999-2019 OutdoorWire, Inc and MUIRNet Consulting - All Rights Reserved, no part of this publication may be reproduced in any form without express written permission
You may link freely to this site, but no further use is allowed without the express written permission of the owner of this material.
All corporate trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.4.33 Page Time: 0.005s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.6000 MB (Peak: 0.6497 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-05-30 00:17:34 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS