Just wanted to clarify BTW, that I am in no way condemning the product that our member plh is selling. This was strictly a installation error on my part that destroyed the hub. In my education (thanks to PA JERO) I learned there is supposed to be a shim and c clip at the end of the axle that holds the whole ball of wax together. Those items I found in the dust cap of the old drive flanges, and learned that they are an integral part of the whole assembly. They had apparently fallen out previous to me installing the manual hubs, and I had not realized they were supposed to be there.