I did it in a Tempo, but they're more reliable than DSM's so that's still no proof that a Delica would stay running that long.

Ouch...no love for that trail, Rich. I will say that it's a nice ride through the forest and your son would probably enjoy it. There are other places to go near there, as well. Nearly directly west of the two exits from I-17 that lead to Crown King is the exit for Bloody Basin Road that leads to the Verde River. It connects to Seven Springs Road that heads south into the Carefree/Cave Creek area and into town from the north.

If Bloody Basin is too tame, continuing south on I-17 gets you to Table Mesa Road heading west again, still eventually joining Seven Springs Road, but there are far more challenging diversions, and easy bypasses, of course.

John B.

Did the Tempo have a lift?

I was thinking about camping in Flagstaff? The Overland Expo is going on that weekend tho. Isn't there an ice Cave around there somewhere?

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Do I need a pass or permit to be camping and driving around in the mountain areas?

What isn't more reliable than a DSM? Delica is not a DSM so it might last long enough to make it. Maybe. Previous owner did some weird things to this car.

The only permits needed are that State Trust Land permit we used to get, but only on about ten miles worth of the Table Mesa trail (blow that permit off; what are the odds...right?) and a Tonto National Forest pass if you're doing any parking in that territory, but I don't think we're headed to there.

So, basically, no. If permits are required for most places, it'll be posted.

Oh yeah, some places around Sedona require one, too. I just so happen to avoid the area, generally.

John B.

Anyone going to Overland Expo?

I was scheduled to work the expo but plans changed and I am now just vacationing.

When I get to Phoenix I'll be staying at the world class and internationally known Casa de Butler Inn & Spa. There have been some good Yelp reviews.

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A few good reviews by dubious contributors can give a false impression of quality, really. My place is all about dust in reality. No need to bring any, there's more than enough here and anyone is welcome to take some home.

The 14th St. Crew is geeked to wheel this weekend and we're also plotting to lay out some of the most random food items to see if you can make them into something edible. You seem to have a way with that "cooking" stuff. (I saw it on T.V. before).

John B.

Not all too sure what's going on over in the mesa compounds this weekend but rumor has it that my structure might be available soon. There's another rumor that we might be trimming up the tree for fitment on saturday morning.

But this talk about wheeling... when? where? Let me know more info as things progress and I might be able to come along, my buddy just picked up a 4 runner and he might be available too. I tried talking him into a montero but something about 'reliability' and 'user friendly' kept coming up. I've never heard those terms before so I'm not sure what he was talking about. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />