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Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059489 05/09/13 05:27 AM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 28
87MontyMan Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
OK...so I've been digging for brake info...and there is enough to make your head spin...and yet there are huge gaps in info...so this is what I have, and correct me where I'm wrong. My goal is to determine what I need to upgrademy front brakes being as I have the 4 cylinder brakes.

1- I see lots of references to V6 brakes..what I've noticed I'm my research is this: in 88 the calipers changed and are the same for all remaining years of Gen 1 regardless of engine OR wheelbase.
2- Caliper brackets however are different between 4cyl and V6, and the reason is to accommodate slightly beefier rotors on V6.
Question: is the mount point for the bracket on the steering knuckle/spindle still the same between both engine variations? IE are the brackets mountable interchangeably?
3- V6 models use a larger booster and master cylinder than 4cyl
Question: will the V6 booster bolt in a 4cyl with modification?
4- I cannot find a listing for 87 and under pre-V6 caliper brackets, the calipers are different, and the rotors are different (part number-wise anyhow)
Question: do any of the later model Gen parts swap over to the early models (87 and older)?
Question 2- Has ANYBODY swapped Gen two brakes to an early Gen 1?

Edit: dug through FSM and discover than early (87 and prior) Gen 1 doesn't have a caliper bracket. The caliper bolts directly to the steering knuckle/spindle...
Question: can later model Gen 1 spindles be swapped into early models?

Last edited by 87MontyMan; 05/09/13 05:39 AM.

If it ain't broke don't fix it...but for the love of god, if it's broke, fix it before you break something else! --PCM
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059490 05/10/13 01:53 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,348
Mudraider Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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OK...so I've been digging for brake info...and there is enough to make your head spin...and yet there are huge gaps in info...so this is what I have, and correct me where I'm wrong. My goal is to determine what I need to upgrademy front brakes being as I have the 4 cylinder brakes.

1- I see lots of references to V6 brakes..what I've noticed I'm my research is this: in 88 the calipers changed and are the same for all remaining years of Gen 1 regardless of engine OR wheelbase.
2- Caliper brackets however are different between 4cyl and V6, and the reason is to accommodate slightly beefier rotors on V6.
Question: is the mount point for the bracket on the steering knuckle/spindle still the same between both engine variations? IE are the brackets mountable interchangeably?
3- V6 models use a larger booster and master cylinder than 4cyl
Question: will the V6 booster bolt in a 4cyl with modification?
4- I cannot find a listing for 87 and under pre-V6 caliper brackets, the calipers are different, and the rotors are different (part number-wise anyhow)
Question: do any of the later model Gen parts swap over to the early models (87 and older)?
Question 2- Has ANYBODY swapped Gen two brakes to an early Gen 1?

Edit: dug through FSM and discover than early (87 and prior) Gen 1 doesn't have a caliper bracket. The caliper bolts directly to the steering knuckle/spindle...
Question: can later model Gen 1 spindles be swapped into early models?


Fast forward to #4, question 2. Forget about everything else. I have 94 brakes on the front of my 89. 96 on my 87. They are all V-6 in the later models. If you can get the assy from a JY, you want;
1. The metal lines and rubber hose allthe way to the caliper.
2. The caliper
3. the rotor
4. the backing plate
Get it all apart, take off your backing plate. Bolt the later model one on. Put the caliper on.You'll see that the caliper hits the backing plate. The bolt pattern is the same, but the backing plate is clocked differently and hits the calipre. Clearance the backing plate. Unbolt your old rotor and bolt the new, bigger, beefier rotor on. Re-assemble everything. Bleed brakes, stop on a dime and give change. I typed all this in one breath- you gotta love Monster!

Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059491 05/10/13 11:34 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
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KrzyDav Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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window rubber/trim 84-91
.
black plastic outside of truck at bottom of window(sweegee):

MB364414 passengers
MB364413 drivers
.
inside felt at bottom of window:
MB227667
.
main rubber channel window runs in:
MB227779 front run
MB227780 rear and top run


dave h.
'89 Raider V6 5spd;Aisin Hubs;; Gen2 LS: frt. brakes, rear coils;U.C.arms;R.trailing arms;idler arm; rear LSD axle w.disc brakes ;2 battery system for Dog's fan; relocated ECU; custom bumpers;J.Baker receiver;Conferr roofrack; t-bar crank.
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059492 05/11/13 12:16 AM
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Web Wheeler
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And got a few parts to start getting this thing road worthy:
[Linked Image]

If it's not too late, consider upgrading to KYB Gas Adjust shocks. They're not much more expensive (I bought mine via Pep Boys) and will last a whole lot longer than the Monroe's. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: Newbie guidance [Re: off-roader] #1059493 05/11/13 01:51 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 28
87MontyMan Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
[/quote]
If it's not too late, consider upgrading to KYB Gas Adjust shocks. They're not much more expensive (I bought mine via Pep Boys) and will last a whole lot longer than the Monroe's. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]
Oh this is just to get the thing road worthy! I plan to upgrade lots later on!


If it ain't broke don't fix it...but for the love of god, if it's broke, fix it before you break something else! --PCM
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: KrzyDav] #1059494 05/11/13 01:53 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 28
87MontyMan Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Quote
window rubber/trim 84-91
.
black plastic outside of truck at bottom of window(sweegee):

MB364414 passengers
MB364413 drivers
.
inside felt at bottom of window:
MB227667
.
main rubber channel window runs in:
MB227779 front run
MB227780 rear and top run

Fantastic! Thank you! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


If it ain't broke don't fix it...but for the love of god, if it's broke, fix it before you break something else! --PCM
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: Mudraider] #1059495 05/11/13 01:55 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 28
87MontyMan Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Quote
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OK...so I've been digging for brake info...and there is enough to make your head spin...and yet there are huge gaps in info...so this is what I have, and correct me where I'm wrong. My goal is to determine what I need to upgrademy front brakes being as I have the 4 cylinder brakes.

1- I see lots of references to V6 brakes..what I've noticed I'm my research is this: in 88 the calipers changed and are the same for all remaining years of Gen 1 regardless of engine OR wheelbase.
2- Caliper brackets however are different between 4cyl and V6, and the reason is to accommodate slightly beefier rotors on V6.
Question: is the mount point for the bracket on the steering knuckle/spindle still the same between both engine variations? IE are the brackets mountable interchangeably?
3- V6 models use a larger booster and master cylinder than 4cyl
Question: will the V6 booster bolt in a 4cyl with modification?
4- I cannot find a listing for 87 and under pre-V6 caliper brackets, the calipers are different, and the rotors are different (part number-wise anyhow)
Question: do any of the later model Gen parts swap over to the early models (87 and older)?
Question 2- Has ANYBODY swapped Gen two brakes to an early Gen 1?

Edit: dug through FSM and discover than early (87 and prior) Gen 1 doesn't have a caliper bracket. The caliper bolts directly to the steering knuckle/spindle...
Question: can later model Gen 1 spindles be swapped into early models?


Fast forward to #4, question 2. Forget about everything else. I have 94 brakes on the front of my 89. 96 on my 87. They are all V-6 in the later models. If you can get the assy from a JY, you want;
1. The metal lines and rubber hose allthe way to the caliper.
2. The caliper
3. the rotor
4. the backing plate
Get it all apart, take off your backing plate. Bolt the later model one on. Put the caliper on.You'll see that the caliper hits the backing plate. The bolt pattern is the same, but the backing plate is clocked differently and hits the calipre. Clearance the backing plate. Unbolt your old rotor and bolt the new, bigger, beefier rotor on. Re-assemble everything. Bleed brakes, stop on a dime and give change. I typed all this in one breath- you gotta love Monster!

Sweet, good to confirm the mod will work on early 4cyl as well! And the parts hunt begins smile


If it ain't broke don't fix it...but for the love of god, if it's broke, fix it before you break something else! --PCM
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059496 05/15/13 10:24 PM
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 28
87MontyMan Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Well, I got the little beast runnning and after sitting for three or four years, it purrs like a kitten..amazing what a tune-up and a little Marvel Mystery Oil can do! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> So I'm working on brakes and shocks...the rear drum on the driver side was locked up where brake fluid saturated the shoes and caused the linings to swell and stick against the drum. Problem is, to get it off, I had to pry hard to get the drum off, and I mangled the flimsy lip of the dust guard (?) that covers the inner edge of the drum..is that a necessary piece or can I grind the spot welds off the backing plate where it attaches and remove it completely?


If it ain't broke don't fix it...but for the love of god, if it's broke, fix it before you break something else! --PCM
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: 87MontyMan] #1059497 05/16/13 01:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,324
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KrzyDav Offline
Body Damage is Cool
*****
did you screw bolts into the threaded hole on your drums to get the drums off?


dave h.
'89 Raider V6 5spd;Aisin Hubs;; Gen2 LS: frt. brakes, rear coils;U.C.arms;R.trailing arms;idler arm; rear LSD axle w.disc brakes ;2 battery system for Dog's fan; relocated ECU; custom bumpers;J.Baker receiver;Conferr roofrack; t-bar crank.
Re: Newbie guidance [Re: KrzyDav] #1059498 05/16/13 02:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,348
Mudraider Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Dave, wouldn't you love to have seen his face as he was reading your post? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

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