The problem as I see it is that the people who have them love them. If'n anything goes wrong though, it($$$) can add up quick. Here is a good group, I will probly never meet a majority of people here, but it's definitely different than the heepers. I am the lone non-jeep guy in a jeep club, and the newbies snub me every chance they get. Until we get out on the trails. Then they know why I am in the club. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> It seems most of them are a little short in the peni$$ department and are trying to make up for it with all the bolt-ons that are available for the heeps.