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Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: DR1665] #1073520 08/12/14 03:16 AM
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Yes. But not like you think. You take out the Shrader (sp?) Valve, then screw these on and the are 134a sized.

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: stevec] #1073521 08/12/14 03:23 AM
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I converted my '90 to R134a. As I remember I did the following:

-replaced all of the o-rings (at least as I exposed them) with 134a compatible ones
-cleaned up the evaporator and compressor and drained as much of the oil as I could
-replaced the receiver/dryer
-put PAG oil in for the 134a. I don't remember how much, but I wrote it down somewhere. I calculated/guessed based upon what the specs were for R12 morphed through whatever conversion factors I could find
-vacuumed it down and let sit for several hours to check for leaks
-filled it with 134a, once again I calculated the amount by seeing what was recommended when converting

That was a couple of years ago. I've had to top it off with refrigerant once. It works pretty well. On the highway it's fine or when the temperature isn't crazy. On those 105 degree Texas afternoons when you're sitting at a stoplight, well it leaves something to be desired. But to be honest, I don't know how great it was when the car was new compared to how accustomed I've grown to the AC in my more modern cars.

You can still buy R12 on places like eBay, but it's too expensive for my blood.

steve



I converted the MudRaider to R134a, and I don't think I did any of that. I'm pretty sure it must of been really low. I threw in a can with the oil in it. It must of leaked down some, cause then I put in a can that had."stop-leak" in it. It put out under 50? at the vent.

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: cheesegrater] #1073522 08/13/14 04:43 AM
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I converted my 89 Raider. Bought a kit at local auto parts store. Borrowed a vacuum pump, vacuumed it down, put in the 134a, watched the sight glass for bubbles. Piece of cake, works real good , blows lots of real cold air!

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: Pop_Clutch] #1073523 08/13/14 11:44 AM
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Sounds like a winner for a twenty five year old car.

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: cheesegrater] #1073524 08/13/14 03:50 PM
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When you do the swap, check to make sure your condenser fan is working. The brushes eventually wear out.


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Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: Kevin C] #1073525 08/13/14 04:47 PM
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Thanks, I will.

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: cheesegrater] #1073526 08/15/14 09:05 PM
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I would buy a can or two of r12 if anyone has some . My ac is still cool but not cold, just need a top off.


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Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: 87monty] #1073527 08/15/14 09:46 PM
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As it turns out, even though R12 is for sale on ebay, it can't be sold to unlicensed buyers. I took the plunge and went R134 after a system evacuation. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I didn't kill my AC.

Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: cheesegrater] #1073528 08/16/14 01:35 PM
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pcc Offline
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You'll find the leak with R12 will be more rapid with 134 as its molecules are smaller.


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Re: R12 to R134 in '89 Raider [Re: pcc] #1073529 08/16/14 02:14 PM
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cheesegrater Offline OP
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I've heard that, but I figured it would be cheaper to add R134 than R12. Hope I'm right.

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